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Re: Removals from the list


Having discussed the situation with both parties,
I have put them both back on the list, effective now.

Welcome back, cousins.  Any recent discussion you may have missed
is available to you through the archives,

And, may I suggest that everyone gathered here in the mud puddle
in the middle of the cow pasture take a moment to reread the brief
list of advisories that you saw posted on the gate as you came in.
A copy is appended.

John S. Quarterman <jsq@quarterman.org>

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   limited to:
     * Sinclair family [16]history,
     * Sinclair [17]genealogy,
     * Sinclair [18]organizations,
     * Sinclair [19]families.
     * Notable Sinclair [20]people.
     * Related [21]publications.
     * [22]Events that Sinclairs are likely to attend, such as
       [23]Highland Games,
     * The [24]600th anniversary celebration of [25]Prince Henry
       Sinclair's voyage,
     * Places Sinclairs came from, such as [26]Roslin, [27]Caithness,
       [28]Orkney, [29]Shetland, [30]Argyll, [31]England, [32]Normandy,
       or [33]Norway.
     * Information about [34]religion can be helpful in determining where
       or when to search for an ancestor.

   I would like to encourage list subscribers to copy (Cc:
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   than responding only to the person who asked the question. That way,
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     * Do not use this list to try to convert someone to your religion.
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       arguments about which should predominate are fruitless.


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   attachments automatically before postings reach the list.
     * Plain text is passed through unchanged, except:
     * Excessively long quotations are truncated; such truncations are
       marked each time with [ Excess quotations omitted. ]
     * HTML is removed.
     * [36]Pictures and other graphics (icons, paintings, drawings,
       genealogical charts, etc.) are removed.
     * Executables are removed. This prevents [37]viruses from being
       distributed through the list.
     * However, the list software cannot protect you from viruses that
       are not sent through the list. See [38]Viruses.

   See also the web pages Margaret has prepared about [39]plain text
   electronic mail, sinclair.quarterman.org/mail/.


   As you can see above, it is not possible to send pictures directly
   through the list.
     * If you want to send pictures or other graphics (genealogical
       charts, icons, paintings, etc.) for all on the list to see, it is
       often better to send them to the [40]maintainer of the web pages
       rather than posting them to the list.
     * Even better, post your pictures in your own web pages and post the
       URL (web address) to the list.
     * Or join the [41]Sinclair Genealogy List,
       sinclair-roots@yahoogroups.com, and upload your chart to the
       shared files section for all members to see.


   The list is archived, and the archives are [42]available online. The
   archives are searchable via
   [43]kingcrest.com/Sinclair/dList_Search.cfm, courtesy [44]Paul
   Sinclair. The archives are also available to list members through
   Majordomo; for how, send mail to majordomo@quarterman.org with the
   word "help" in the body (not subject) of the message.


   Paul has also set up a [45]GuestBook,
   kingcrest.com/Sinclair/Guestbook.cfm, and he has arranged that entries
   in the guestbook are forwarded automatically to the list. He has even
   arranged for replies to guestbook entries on the list to be
   automatically forwarded to the person who made the original entry.

List Etiquette

   There are numerous online compilations of etiquette guidelines, such
   as for example:
   Here is a compilation of etiquette guidelines that takes into account
   various topics that have come up on this list.


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     * Be civil to members of this list.
     * Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by
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     * Never assume a posting is a personal attack on you or slight
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       and unambiguous; and even then sleep on it first.
     * Just because a mail message is brief that doesn't mean the writer
       is being curt or insulting. Electronic mail has its own style,
       which is not the same as face-to-face talking, the telephone, or
       paper mail; brevity is the soul of clarity in electronic mail. Not
       to mention that people often write electronic mail in haste, or
       with two fingers.
     * Remember that everyone's opinion is valid as an opinion, even if
       you disagree with it, think it's stupid, and have facts at your
       disposal that can demolish it. If you disagree about what you are
       reading please do it in a polite manner.
     * Private mail and mail sent to a public list are two different
       things. Forwarding private mail to a public list without
       permission from the original sender is very impolite and is not
       permitted on this list.
     * Ad hominem attacks (personal attacks) are not permitted on this
     * Threats of bodily harm even off the list are not permitted by list
       members against list members even off the list, and if evidence is
       presented to the list owner of same, the person who sent them will
       be removed from the list.
     * Everyone makes spelling mistakes from time to time; there's
       usually no need to remark on them in the list.

Spelling, Quoting, HTML, and CAPS

     * If you use a spell checker on your postings, you won't risk
       spelling flames.
     * Use the Subject: line to really tell what your message is about,
       don't just use the previous subject line that might not be
       applicable now.
     * Quoting enough of a previous message for context is good.
     * Quoting all of one or more previous messages is usually not good,
       because it requires the readers to wade through old material
       again. Trim quotations and old headers. Preserve only what is
       needed for context for your new information.
     * When it comes to mailing lists, HTML can cause a lot of problems.
       Not everyone has the newest software; not all email programs can
       read HTML; and the HTML sent by many mail programs is not very
       good anyway. So, if you're on a mailing list, it helps to make
       sure that your email is going out in a fashion that everyone can
       read, and that means [47]plain text electronic mail,
     * Please DO NOT SEND MESSAGES IN ALL CAPS; people will think you're
     * Similarly, don't end every question in multiple question marks???
       It makes you look like an idiot??? And don't end every sentence in
       multiple exclamation marks!!! It makes you look like a shouting
       idiot!!! You may think it's cute and expressive, but it will cause
       many people to ignore you entirely.

Etiquette for posting genealogical information to this list

     * Do some background reading on the web pages, especially the ones
       on [48]genealogy, which include links to many related web servers
       and pages.
     * Join a [49]clan organization so you will get a clan newsletter.
     * It is best to post a genealogical query to the entire list,
       because it is impossible to predict who among the many subscribers
       may know something about your query.
     * When you post your query, tell us all you can about dates or
       approximate dates of your oldest ancestor, where they lived and
       who they married. Include county names whenever you can. We hope
       to be able to search on locality one day and having county names
       will help to link up people.
     * Keep trying periodically. The person that could help you with your
       search might not not be able to answer you immediately or they
       might not yet be a subscriber to the list.
     * Also enter yourself in the web form [50]GuestBook, courtesy
       [51]Paul Sinclair.
     * Please don't just listen in and not let us know your information.
       You very likely have something important to share with others.
       Speak up!

Etiquette for posting historical information to this list

     * Do some background reading on the web pages, such as those on
       [52]history, the [53]FAQ, and the [54]Sinclair 2000 gathering.
     * Join a [55]clan organization so you will get a clan newsletter.
     * Be careful with copyrighted information.
     * Cite your sources.
     * Speak up! Your historical tidbit may be just as fascinating as
       anything about a famous historical personage.

   Don't be afraid to ask; we're all learning here.


   Do not send virus reports to this list. Most virus reports turn out to
   be hoaxes, so forwarding a virus report without examination is like
   shouting fire in a crowded theater. To find out which are real and
   which are hoaxes, myths, and urban legends, try these URLs. But do not
   send virus reports to this list.
   real viruses  [56]http://www.datafellows.com/virus-info/
      hoaxes     [57]http://www.datafellows.com/virus-info/hoax/
    more hoaxes  [58]http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
       myths     [59]http://kumite.com/myths/index0.htm
   urban legends [60]http://www.urbanlegends.com/

  Related Web Pages

   Much related information may be found in
     * the [61]Clan Sinclair web pages, sinclair.quarterman.org/,
     * in [62]Paul Sinclair's history and genealogy pages,
     * in the [63]Clan Sinclair Trust web pages www.clansinclair.org/,
     * and in the [64]Clan Sinclair Association U.S.A. web pages,

   or through the many links they contain.

List Maintainer

   The list maintainer is [65]John Sinclair Quarterman (jsq). Please
   note, once again, that what gets discussed in the list is determined
   by the members of the list. I am not a moderator; I do not decide what
   gets posted or not. I merely set up and maintain the mechanics of the
   list. The content of the list is up to you, the subscribers.

>From the List to the Web Pages

   [66][Clan Sinclair] Messages posted to this list often find their way
   into the [67]Clan Sinclair web pages, sinclair.quarterman.org/. In
   fact, the great majority of the material in those web pages came from
   the list. The [68]web page maintainer asks permission before using
   material in the web pages, with the exception of brief anonymous
   excerpts for use in the [69]comments about the list and the
   [70]comments about the web pages.

   Last changed: $Date: 2001/12/10 15:39:16 $


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   3. http://www.clansinclairusa.org/
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   5. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/scotland.html
   6. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/england.html
   7. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/se.html
   8. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/au.html
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  10. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/
  11. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/phssna.html
  12. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/listsub.html
  13. http://www.quarterman.org/nospam/
  14. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/digest.html
  15. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/listpost.html
  16. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/history.html
  17. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/genealogy.html
  18. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/organizations.html
  19. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/families.html
  20. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/people.html
  21. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/publications.html
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  24. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/600/
  25. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/henry.html
  26. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/roslincastle.html
  27. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/caithness.html
  28. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/orkney.html
  29. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/shetland.html
  30. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/argyll.html
  31. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/england.html
  32. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/normandy.html
  33. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/norway.html
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  35. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/info.tmp#virus
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  51. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/us-mi.html
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  53. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/faq/
  54. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/s2000.html
  55. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/organizations.html
  56. http://www.datafellows.com/virus-info/
  57. http://www.datafellows.com/virus-info/hoax/
  58. http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
  59. http://kumite.com/myths/index0.htm
  60. http://www.urbanlegends.com/
  61. http://sinclair.quarterman.org/
  62. http://kingcrest.com/sinclair/
  63. http://www.clansinclair.org/
  64. http://www.clansinclairusa.org/
  65. http://www.quarterman.com/~jsq/
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