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Re: Re: Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité po ur tous
>As to who "us" is, "Us" is us of the English-speaking world.
I speak French. Am I not one of "us"?
There are people on this list who speak Gaelic.
Are they not part of "us"?
There are Scottish and probably Sinclair descendants in Brazil speaking
Portuguese. Are they not some of "us"?
Our ancestors who spoke Norse; were they not among "us"?
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