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Dear Ward Ginn et al Any identification of family blood lines in Europe before 1200 AD is supposition. The records simply have to many gaps. Poppa de Valois was the mother of Guillaume Longue-épée his wife was Sprota (Adela) Senlis born in Bretagne,Normandy his concubines, if any are unknown. Sinclair [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html