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Dear Joe, The fact that the Catholic Encyclopaedia is 'rehashing the facts'i.e. putting the modern church's gloss overembarassing episodes in its own history, is precisely the point I have been making. Any propaganda statement is precisely that and its use as a source is solely to establish what the publishers want others to believe. As such any evidential quality it may have therefore has to carry a negative weighting. You have just formulated in your own words the points I have been raising in the recent posts. Best wishes Tim