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Steve, You made some valid points. It's just important that we look at the whole picture, and try to see what did happen to those Templars who survived and met, and managed property. Do you not feel that they were still recognized as Knights Templar? Stan Original Message: ----------------- From: Steve St. Clair steve@planetcentral.com Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:41:00 +0800 To: sinclair@quarterman.com Subject: Only the Stone Remains By 1303, the age of the great crusades was over. And, thus, the need for the Templars to defend the crusaders changed. The defense of the Holy Land no longer necessary, the Templars had no further reason [ Excess quotations omitted. ]