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Dear John, Please clarify where John Robinson, in Dungeon Fire and Sword cites any sources much less modern Catholic propaganda. Church propaganda is that and nothing else. Modern apologetic statements cannot, under any circumstances, be held to retrospectively cancel the validity or the intention of papal pronouncemnts made in the fourteenth century. If you claim that they do, then please explain how. As to Robinson, except where mentioned in thetext of jis books, the most infuriating aspect of them is that he refuses point blank to cite his sources - so how can he be draggged into this? Best wishes Tim