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Greetings! I would very much like to know more about skulls & crossed bones: is this really Templar in origins? The skullandcrossbones.com website mentions the Jolly Roger's Templar cross and pirates's use of such a skull symbol, but gives no historical references. I would like to have some reliable historical references because these skulls with crossed bones are found also in Belgium, true merovingian country. I am also interested in Saint Andrew's engrailed cross. I have read about it on the Sinclair website but the story about a «vision» during battle sounds more like a legend than an fact. Again, this engrailed cross can be found in Belgium's Flanders in a small and very old village on several tumsbtones, many with a skull & crossed bones. Could this engrailed cross and/or skull & crossbones have been brought to Scotland by Knights Tmemplar in the early 1300's? Can anyone give me some references where to look? Thanks! [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html