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Re: For Glen Cook, demise of the Templars???

In translating the Papal Bull Ad ea ex quibus (to them  by which) I am
beginning to understand why only a barely readable copy scanned in Latin is

John XXII was a greedy hectic!   Pope Adrian VI in 1523 declared John XXII a

"It is beyond question that he [the pope] can err even in matters touching
the faith. He does this when he teaches heresy by his own judgment or

The consequence of heresy is instant and automatic excommunication. A
heretic has denied the faith and placed himself outside the Church.

A heretical pope is therefore no longer even a member of the Church, much
less its head. Consequently, a heretic, though pope, could not issue a Papal
Bull to establish a legitament successor to the Knights Templar.

John XXII has been seen as an exceptionally holy man. He  favoured above all
popes by "Our Lady of Mount Carmel" with  personal appearances? John swore
that the "Virgin Mary" appeared to him. His son swore it too. John XXII was
denounced as a heretic by first Emperor Louis of Bavaria, who deposed him
and appointed another pope in his place. But the emperor's pope purge did
not work.  The new pope took office and his wife appeared on the scene. The
emperor reinstated John XXII's.  His heretical pronouncements became so
outrageous that only his death saved him from removal again from the papacy.
He had amassed a huge fortune "by duping the poor, by selling livings,
indulgences and dispensations".

John XXII's predecessor, Clement V, had distributed all of the Church's
wealth to  relatives, leaving no money. That situation the new pope went
about to cure with a vengeance. He sold everything for a price, including
absolution from sin, eternal salvation, papel orders and Templar property.
John XXII published a list of crimes and gross sins, together with the
individual price for which he, as vicar of Christ, head of the one true
Church, would absolve sinners. Everything murder, piracy, incest, adultery,
and sodomy to mention a few were on the list. The wealthiest you were, the
more you could sin; the more you sinned, the richer the John became.

A lot of the money was spent to further John XXII's passion for wars. One of
his cohorts wrote: "The blood he shed would have incarnadined the waters of
Lake Constance, and the bodies of the slain would have bridged it from shore
to shore."

John XXII's policy was that Christ and His apostles had been men of great
wealth. To deny this dogma was heresy punishable by death. John demanded
that secular rulers burn at the stake Franciscans who had taken vows of
poverty. Those who refused to do so were excommunicated. John gave 114
Franciscans to the loving care of the Inquisition and the stake to be burnt
for the heresy of purposely living in poverty.


REF:A Woman Rides the Beast Dave Hunt, Harvest House Publishers 1994
      The Code of Canon Law, James A. Coriden, Thomas J. Green, Donald E.
Heintschel, eds.,  Paulist Press, 1985

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From: "John S. Quarterman" <jsq@quarterman.org>
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Subject: Re: For Glen Cook, demise of the Templars???