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Re: For Glen Cook, demise of the Templars???

>Records are different from opinions.  The primary source, the Bull itself,
>speaks for itself.

I hope so.  Unfortunately, my Latin is a little rusty, so I'll have to
make do with a translation.

> You must give contemporary records a different weight
>that a précis based on those records deserves.  A translation no matter the
>skill of the translator, lets the thoughts of the translator creep in.

I'm sure you'll do a good job translating it.

>The Roman Government demanded Temple Tax not belief. Death was a radical way
>to collect taxes. Inland Revenue thankfully has not yet learned this

Interesting rationalization.  However, the Romans at various times
also demanded religious rites at Roman temples, and that people
deny being members of certain religions.

> Philippe IV, le Bel, King of France pushed the Pope to the Council at
>Vienne. The King demanded judgement on the Knights Templars.  The bishops
>refused to judge them without hearing the accused.  The French Pope Clement
>V, pressured by his King decided "motu proprio"(by his own movement) the
>suppression if the Order, by the bull Vox in excelso.  We desperately need
>the jury system to save us from the oppressions of a berserk executive.

The jury system is good.

>Guy Stair Sainty states
>"This rarely given distinction cannot strictly be characterized today as an
>Order of Knighthood, but more as an award of honor of the highest possible
>standing." This Order was last awarded in 1987. (Their) are no living
>Knights of the Papal Supreme Order of Christ.....
>The original foundation was actually a religious military Order under the
>rule of Saint Benedict, constituted in Portugal by King Denis I on 14 August
>1318, confirmed and granted statutory regulation by the Bull Ad ea ex
>quibus ...The Order's endowment was established with the surviving estates
>of the recently dissolved Order of the Temple, just as in Spain most of
>these estates were used to establish the Order of Montesa." End Quote

[ Excess quotations omitted. ]

That is the question, isn't it?


John S. Quarterman <jsq@quarterman.org>