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Re: For Glen Cook, demise of the Templars???

In translating the Papal Bull Ad ea ex quibus I am beginning to understand
why only a barely readable copy scanned in Latin is available. The Pope was
mad! The Pope was greedy and Pope John XXII was a hectic!

Pope Adrian VI in 1523 declared John XXII a heretic.
"It is beyond question that he [the pope] can err even in matters touching
the faith. He does this when he teaches heresy by his own judgment or

The consequence of heresy  is immediate and automatic excommunication. A
heretic has denied the faith and placed himself outside the Church.

A heretical pope is therefore no longer even a member of the Church, much
less its head. Consequently, a heretic, though pope, could not issue a Papal
Bull to establish a legitimate successor to the Knights Templar.

John XXII has been seen as an exceptionally holy man. He was favoured above
all popes by "Our Lady of Mount Carmel" with  personal appearances? John
swore that the "Virgin Mary" appeared to him. John's son swore it also. John
XXII was eventually denounced as a heretic by Emperor Louis of Bavaria, who
deposed him and appointed another pope in his place. The emperor's pope
purge did not work.  The new pope took office and his wife appeared on the
scene. The emperor reinstated John XXII.  Pope JohnXXII heretical
pronouncements became so outrageous that only his death saved him from
removal again from the papacy. He had amassed a huge fortune "by duping the
poor, by selling livings, indulgences and dispensations". John XXII
condemned as heresy both the Franciscan way of life and Pope Nicholas III's
praise of it.

John XXII's predecessor, Clement V, had distributed the Church's wealth to
relatives. The treasury was empty. John XXII  healed that problem with a
vengeance. He sold everything for a price, absolution from sin, eternal
salvation and Templar property. John XXII published a list of crimes and
gross sins, together with the individual price for which he, as vicar of
Christ would absolve sinners. Everything murder, piracy, incest, adultery,
and sodomy to mention a few were on the list. The richer you were the more
you could sin; the more Catholics sinned, the richer the John became.

A lot of the money was spent to further John XXII's passion for wars. One of
his cohorts wrote: "The blood he shed would have incarnadined the waters of
Lake Constance, and the bodies of the slain would have bridged it from shore
to shore."

John XXII's  stated  that Christ and His apostles had been men of great
wealth.  He declared that  denying this dogma was heresy punishable by
death. John demanded that secular rulers burn at the stake Franciscans who
had taken vows of poverty. Those who refused to do so were excommunicated.
John gave 114 Franciscans to the loving care of the  Inquisition and the
stake to be burnt for the heresy of purposely living in poverty.


REF: A Woman Rides the Beast Dave Hunt, Harvest House Publishers 1994
The Code of Canon Law, James A. Coriden, Thomas J. Green, Donald E.
Heintschel, eds.,  Paulist Press, 1985

----- Original Message -----
From: "John S. Quarterman" <jsq@quarterman.org>
To: <sinclair@quarterman.org>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: For Glen Cook, demise of the Templars???

> That is the question, isn't it?
> >Sinclair

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