Re: sinclair-digest V2 #300

[Evelyn Hlabse <hlabse@att.net>]

Hi,

Just thought I'd report in on this - I was there at their performance in Cleveland on
Wednesday evening.  They were great.  I got my usual tears when they played Amazing Grace.
It is well worth the money - the Irish picketing outside I could have done without but to
each his own.  Interestingly enough, the lady sitting next to me was from Kirkwall just
like me.

Evelyn (Richmond Heights, Ohio)
hlabse@att.net
http://home.att.net/~hlabse

sinclair-digest wrote:

> sinclair-digest       Thursday, October 26 2000       Volume 02 : Number 300
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:11:08 EDT
> From: DSinc39156@aol.com
> Subject: The Blackwatch in Indianapolis
>
> Judy and I had the pleasure to see the Blackwatch pipes, drums, and Highland
> dancers perform with the Lucknow Band of the Prince of Wales Division last
> evening. The crowd was on it's collective feet for most of the show. The
> colors, sounds, and display of precision was simply awesome. This was the
> first time I have seen the dance of the crossed swords live, it was enough to
> stir the Scottish blood. The performers then mingled in the crowd after their
> show, chatting and signing the various shirts, c.d.s and programs purchased.
> We spoke to a young man from Perth named Mark and discussed the Queen Mother,
> who is the Colonel in chief of the Blackwatch, and of course the Matron of
> our Clan Sinclair. They are now on a North American tour, if they come to
> your city, don't miss this one.
>
> I do wonder about some of the initials after the Prince of Wales officer's
> names and wondered if some of you could help. they are; CAMus, BA, GDBM,
> LRSM, LTCL, ALCM, and CAM.
>
> Donald Sinclair (Indianapolis)
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> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:31:32 +1000
> From: "Donald Sinclair" <dmsin@mpx.com.au>
> Subject: Re: William Douglas/Egidia Stuart
>
> Kevin, I don't know if anyone has answered you yet, but I have the
> following.
> Archibald was the brother of James the Good or the Black Douglas. He was the
> father of the William you mentioned. James Douglas did have a son Archibald.
> He was known as the Grim Earl of Douglas.
> Hope that helps
> Regards
> Donald Sinclair
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: kevin and rika <kevrik@shaka.com>
> To: sinclair@matrix.net <sinclair@matrix.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 21, 2000 3:40 AM
> Subject: Re: William Douglas/Egidia Stuart
>
> >Thank you very much , Niven , and those who answered my query.
> >Now I must ask which Archibald? I find a William Douglas (1340-1384)son of
> >Archibald who had a 'liason' with Margaret Stewart resulting in George
> >Douglas. This Archibald was brother of Sir James the Good and son of Sir
> >William.
> >Some claim William (spouse of Egidia)'s father Archibald as a 'natural' son
> >of James the Good (and one of those nubiles I am sure!).
> >One interesting sidelight (to me) is to the best of my knowledge,that the
> >names Henry and William never made it to America with John of Exeter.
> >
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> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:53:51 +1000
> From: "Donald Sinclair" <dmsin@mpx.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Those St Clair of the Isles, etc
>
> Ray I certainly would be interested in having a look at thr Caithness Cadets
> you mentioned below.
> I am at "Tighnabruaich"
>             53 Lievesley St.
>              Bundaberg 4670
>              Queensland
>              Australia
>
> Regards
> Donald Sinclair
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Coqnord@cs.com <Coqnord@cs.com>
> To: sinclair@matrix.net <sinclair@matrix.net>
> Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Those St Clair of the Isles, etc
>
> >This is in answer to Donald H. Sinclair, President Margaret Stokes in
> >Australia and others on the net who have been looking for the books by
> Roland
> >St Clair, as shown by Ian Sinclair of Melbourne in his fine report on  4
> >October.  Several people have expressed  a desire to get one or more of
> these
> > books if an when somebody makes copies.  The book most of us are looking
> for
> >is "St Claires of the Isles", which consists of 18 chapters and 558 pages..
> >I have been getting chapters here and there from several sources, always a
> >page-by-page photocopy, a number of which are barely legible due to
> >variations  in the skill level of the copier, etc.  I have been collecting
> >bits and pieces of Sinclair Family History for about 18 years, and some
> >people who know abou this have given me a page or two as they found them in
> >libraries.  As it turned out, I became focussed on my own particular line,
> >the Caithness Cadets, and so when an opportunity came up to buy a photocopy
> >set of the whole 558 pages some years ago, I passed.
> >
> >SO, if someone out there is only interested in the Caithness line, I can
> make
> >copies of what I have on my printer and send them snail mail, just ask and
> >you shall receive, no charge.  IF, on the other hand you need the whole
> book
> >and perhaps even "The Sinclairs of Caithness" by the same author, my
> >recommendation is that we all hang in there a while until Ian gets through
> >figuring a way that he can take pictures of the books available to him and
> >then see what can be done to meet people's needs at a reasonable cost.  I
> >responded to his recent inquiry about this, saying that organizing the
> >reproduction by family (location) would cut down on the specific orders
> >somewhat, and we could all order something more like a "chapter" and
> satisfy
> >our search.  I don't know how others feel about this, but I'm slowly being
> >suffocated by too many books, files etc that I really don't need.  It's
> >already cost a lot of money I have better uses for in my declining years,
> and
> >it just seems to proliferate at our present rate o growth and the
> tremendous
> >outpouring of data from new and old members.
> >
> >That's all I have to say on the subject at this time.  Have fun with your
> >geneology, cousins.     Best regards to alll - Ray Lower
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> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:55:59 -1000
> From: "kevin and rika" <kevrik@shaka.com>
> Subject: Re: William Douglas/Egidia Stuart
>
> Thanks for the reply , Donald. If I read Niven correctly , and the
> information I found at the Douglas website, I have both Archibalds and
> Williams in my tree. Given his reputaion for derring-do , it's no wonder
> James the Good had a couple of 'natural' children. I think those genes swam
> out of my pool.Take care , Kevin
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:20:15 +0100
> From: Niven Sinclair <niven@niven.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: William Douglas/Egidia Stuart
>
> At 06:55 25/10/00 -1000, you wrote:
> >Thanks for the reply , Donald. If I read Niven correctly , and the
> >information I found at the Douglas website, I have both Archibalds and
> >Williams in my tree. Given his reputaion for derring-do , it's no wonder
> >James the Good had a couple of 'natural' children. I think those genes swam
> >out of my pool.Take care , Kevin
>
> The William I mentioned was known as "the Black Douglas" and, on the
> borders, the English nurses would hush their children by saying:
> "The Black Douglas comes, The Black Douglas will get thee"
>
> Nevertheless, he was the Scottish paladin of virtue in those days of chivalry.
> He had immense strength but what made him special was his gentleness
> of manner.  He was as faithful to his friends as he was terrible to his
> enemies.
>
> Alas, he was treacherously killed in Danzig where he had gone to assist the
> Teutonic Knights in their fight against the, then, pagan Prussians (This
> qualified
> as a Crusade and, in consequence, all those who took part were absolved of
> their sins, past, present and future).  He was killed by assassins who had
> been hired
> by Lord Clifford who had insulted Douglas but, when challenged to a duel,
> he feared to
> meet Douglas in mortal combat so he paid men to waylay Douglas on the
> narrow ancient
> bridge of Danzig where the foul deed was done.
>
> Douglas left a daughter who was known as "The Fair Maid of Nithsdale".
>
> Niven Sinclair
>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:07:15 +0000
> From: Gary Lowrance <cbbgwl@gte.net>
> Subject: Re: William Douglas/Egidia Stuart
>
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> I know exactly where he fits in.  I am at my office and it will take me some
> time to get the specific dates and other info to you.  By the way, I used to
> live at Diamond Head in the mid-1980's.  Feel free to email me privately to
> remind me to get this for you.  Caroline Briggs Lowrance
>
> kevin and rika wrote:
>
> > Would anyone know how this William Douglas fits into the family tree? i see
> > him listed as Lord of Galloway and Nithdale. I have also seen him as an
> > Archibald's son , but at this time period there seem to be a number of
> > Archibalds and Williams about. Mahalo , Kevin
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:16:25 EDT
> From: Coqnord@cs.com
> Subject: Re: Those St Clair of the Isles, etc
>
> Donald:   I just responded to your e-mail about the Lords and Earls, and this
> response is about Those St Clairs etc  I neglected to read the Lords and
> Earls message down the page to it's origin, an interest from me about your
> Caithness Family Tree.  Just to keep these ideas separate in our thinking,
> 1. Yes, please send the copy of the tree, and 2.  I will send a copy of the
> St Clairs of the Isles, but first I want you to know of a later development.
> After much work and the waste of some 400 sheets of paper trying to do this
> at least somewhat porofessionally, I gave up and had a local copy shop do the
> whole jub, including the same grade of binding on the original copy.   My
> costs, less postage, is about $9 US.  Your decision now is whether I should
> send it First Class (about three weeks) @ $1.40, or Air  about 7 days, I'm
> araid to ask how much!
> Let me know.  If you have a need in your library for Caithness, Orkney and
> Shetland families of the 1800's, ala Roland St Claire, it's worth the money.
> If this work is published again, it's sure to be much more.  On the other
> hand, if you sweat out the CD Rom disc program that's in the works, you will
> get a lot more for a lot less.
>
> I'll wait for your answer.     Ray
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:23:40 -1000
> From: "kevin and rika" <kevrik@shaka.com>
> Subject: Re: William Douglas/Egidia Stuart
>
> Hello Caroline; I tried to e-mail you a couple of times , but it bounced
> back. I'd love to see what you have , and I would be more than happy to
> share what I have with you (or anyone).
> I'm on Maui in Kihei. Take care , Kevin
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:14:53 +0000
> From: Caroline Briggs <cbbgwl@gte.net>
> Subject: Re: William Douglas/Egidia Stuart
>
> Kihei used to be one of my favorite haunts  I am an attorney and have good
> friends in Maui that still live there (they used to live in Kihei- in a
> house that is no longer in existence-they now live in Makawao).  I can't
> even imagine Makena these days.  I remember the dirt road and our drives all
> around that end of the island to/from Hana. Sadly, one of my best friends
> who was an expert scuba diver was found dead near where the Ulapalakua road
> goes down to the ocean (I can't remember the name of the place.) Police
> didn't seem to say-but it didn't seem natural causes to me.
>
> On a happier note, I saw the messages after mine that were about William
> Douglas.  You may be interested to know there is a book on Scottish royalty
> history that traces roots back to B.C.(quite bizarre).  It is too late to
> call my mother to get the name, but I gave it to my mother last Christmas.
> I will try to get the name for you.  Where do you branch down from William
> Douglas?  My grandmother did a lot of our research.  She has Egidia marrying
> Henry, Earl of Orkney and Caithness.  Their child is  Eleanor sho marries
> John Stewart, Earl of Athol.  This continues down to John Henry who
> emigrates to Hanover County, Virginia.  He is the father of the "give me
> liberty or give me death" Patrick Henry.  Our family seems to be a bit
> "outspoken".  I get a lot of jokes about this in my profession.
>
> Is this your line or does this info help.  I have more but don't want to
> bore you.
>
> Also, my records have Egidia being both the wife and daughter of William
> Douglas.  The Egidia that married William Douglas, is the daughter of Robert
> II, King of Scotland and Euphemia Ross, Countess of Moray. Robert II is the
> son of Walter the High Steward and Marjery Bruce (daughter of Robert the
> Bruce). The daughter Egidia marries into the Prince Henry family.
>
> Caroline
>
> kevin and rika wrote:
>
> > Hello Caroline; I tried to e-mail you a couple of times , but it bounced
> > back. I'd love to see what you have , and I would be more than happy to
> > share what I have with you (or anyone).
> > I'm on Maui in Kihei. Take care , Kevin
> >
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>
> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:39:23 +1000
> From: bruce carlyon <Bruce_Carlyon@syncsoft.com.au>
> Subject: RE: Gunn
>
> To All,
> Can anyone answer Kathleen's question below?
>
> I understand the Sinclairs were unable to rule without the Gunns
> consent..what was this all about ???
>
> Regards
> Bruce
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:49:25 -1000
> From: "kevin and rika" <kevrik@shaka.com>
> Subject: Re: William Douglas/Egidia Stuart
>
> Hello Caroline; Everyone blends into my Sinclair line. I am almost dyslexic
> trying to follow the royal lines as they weave in and out, but I think I
> have a handle on them.
> Egidia Douglas d/o the above marries William Earl of Orkney. Another Douglas
> line from James' brother Archibald meanders into the Grahams and then
> Elizabeth Graham marries George Sinclair.
> My Sinclair line comes to the States in the form of John of Exeter. They
> stayed in Exeter until my grandmother moved to NJ.
> I further broke the sedentary mold by moving to Maui in 1989.
> I've heard some talk about being able to trace Scottish Royalty back to
> Biblical times , but haven't known what to make of it. Some theories really
> get out there, so to say.
> Back on Maui , they paved the roads going around the island , and Makena is
> getting quite a few new houses built rather closely together. Considering
> they cost a pretty penny, you'd think they would enjoy breathing.
> I'm always happy for new names and places, and I would love to share and see
> what others may have. Take care , Kevin
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 02:05:30 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "John S. Quarterman" <jsq@matrix.net>
> Subject: Sinclair Dates
>
>    [1]Sinclair Dates:  October 26.
>    In 1760: George III, King of Great Britain .
>    [2]Tomorrow:  October 27.
>    In 1644: Battle of Newbury, .
>
> References
>
>    1. http://www.mids.org/sinclair/timeline.html
>    2. http://www.mids.org/sinclair/timeline.html
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