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Re: History updates
My name is Karen Caskey Leiber. I am new to the Sinclair list. I have been
just reading and learning.
I have been corresponding with Jean Grigsby in May. At that time she told me
she was preparing for a research trip and would be back the middle of June.
I may get the chance to visit with her in July if we go to a wedding in the
town she lives in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Spirit One Email" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: History updates
> Dear David,
> Yes, I will try to do that. Haven't gotten started but realize that
> Niven's French researcher has come up with a new alignment of the Norman
> ancestors so my message to everyone below to correct their charts is
> perhaps outdated. We better use pencil on these corrections.
> Sorry, I will not make it to Scotland. The last chemo was scheduled
> Aug. 2nd, however now the doctor has given me leaway to make some local
> trips and so it will then be Aug. 16th. Now it appears we could have
> theoretically to Scotland but in the end he didn't want me that far away
> with a low white blood count among foreign germs ( I know foreign germs
> no worse than our germs but it's just that I'm not use to those
> I keep wondering about Jean Grigsby. Has anyone heard from her yet?
> there anyone who is in contact with her?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David & Gloria Bouschor <email@example.com>
> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: History updates
> > Hi Laurel,
> > Be careful of Petes Historical Articles. He often rewrote other
> > over his name. I just received a copy of a book where the publisher
> > apologises for the first edition in that he quoted Pete as the author.
> > states he was not the author but the "publisher". Hope all is well hope
> > see you in Scotland.
> > Yours Aye, David
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Spirit One Email <email@example.com>
> > To: Sinclair Discussion <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:14 PM
> > Subject: History updates
> > >While this subject of new historic information is on my mind, I would
> > >all of you with charts or books that pertain to our Sinclair history in
> > >Normandy to update that information. Just as there were many Williams,
> > >Henrys, etc. there were at least two Mauger/Malgars.
> > >
> > >The first one was the son of Duke Richard I of Normandy. His siblings
> > >more than one "wife" of Richard I's were at least:
> > >
> > >4th Duke Richard II,
> > > Robert, Count of Evreaux and 5th Archbishop of Normandy
> > > Mauger Ct of Mortain & Corbuel,(This is our ancestor)
> > >Godfrey of Brionne,
> > > William Ct of Eu,
> > >Queen Emma m. Kings Æthelred & Knut of England,
> > >Hadvise m. Ct. Brittany,
> > >Mathilda m. Ct. of Blois & Dreux,
> > >Beatrice m. Ebalus of Turenne
> > >================================
> > >4th Duke Richard II had these children:
> > >
> > >5th Duke Richard III,
> > >(?)Helene m. cousin Walderne son of the Mauger above (our ancestors)
> > >6th Duke Robert I-Ct. of Hiemois;
> > >Eleanor m. Bladwin IV of Flanders;
> > >Adelesia/Alice m. Stephen II of Blois, Ct. of Burgandy.
> > >
> > >Then Duke Richard II "Married". 2nd Papia and they had 2 children:
> > >Mauger- the younger, 6th Archbishop of Rouen
> > >William Ct.of Arques & Talou
> > >==================================
> > >
> > >5th Duke Richard III had a couple of kids but they didn't figure too
> > >promenently in history but he died--perhaps poisoned by his brother,
> > >the Devil, who then became the 5th Duke of Normandy and father of
> > >the Conqueror
> > >You can see that this Mauger was called Mauger the Younger which
> > >that there was another Mauger who was older (our ancestor).
> > >So far information about Helene's existence comes only from St. Clair
> > >records, I believe, and have not been verified yet from any other
> > >But if this Helene did marry Walderne who was our direct ancestor and
> > >second son of Mauger, Count of Mortain and Corbuel, then Walderne's
> > >would be cousins to William the Conqueror. If this marriage to Helene
> > >not take place they are still second cousins to that William. Eleanor
> > above
> > >is an important person because her daughter, Matilda, married her
> > >(Matilda's) cousin, William the Conqueror and became Queen Matilda of
> > >England.
> > > I have told you far more than I intended. The point is that our
> > >was never the Archbishop of Normandy.
> > >You can see this charted out at:
> > >www.clansinclairusa.org/2_chart_Normandy_years.htm
> > >
> > >Sources: charts of Kings and Queens of Europe, William the Conqueror by
> > >David C. Douglas, Queen Emma & Queen Edith by Pauline Stafford.
> > >See list of my references while you are there by going to HOME PAGE and
> > >looking at the bottom of column 5 "References" and choose "books" at
> > >top of the page, or go to :
> > >
> > >While you are in there look at the new letter of Laura Zola to Niven at
> > >top of the 3rd column or later go to :
> > >www.clansinclairusa.org/ev_re_Zola.htm choose "12 Feb. Portoferraio,
> > Elba"
> > >There are several messages to eventually insert back in time like this
> > >
> > >Now for the GREAT news. Yes, I am shouting! David Cummings, son of
> > >late H.S. "Pete" Cummings, Jr., Genealogist for the Clan Sinclair USA,
> > >given his permission for me to add Pete's many historical articles to
> > >Clan Sinclair History pages. Although Pete was called genealogist, he
> > >produced many interesting historical articles too. There will continue
> > be
> > >several that will only be available through Clan membership but they
> > >listed anyway so you will want to join in order to have them. He, He,
> > >You will eventually find them in the second column under "Prince Henry
> > >Sinclair".
> > >
> > >Go Pacers!
> > >Laurel
> > >
> > >
> > >
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