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Re: History updates

Dear David,
   Yes, I will try to do that.  Haven't gotten started but realize that
Niven's French researcher has come up with a new alignment of the Norman
ancestors so my message to everyone below to correct their charts is already
perhaps outdated.   We better use pencil on these corrections.
    Sorry, I will not make it to Scotland.  The last chemo was scheduled for
Aug. 2nd, however now the doctor has given me leaway to  make some local
trips and so it will then be Aug. 16th.   Now it appears we could have gone
theoretically to Scotland but in the end he didn't want me that far away
with a low white blood count among foreign germs ( I know foreign germs are
no worse than our germs but it's just that I'm not use to those
    I keep wondering about Jean Grigsby.  Has anyone heard from her yet?  Is
there anyone who is in contact with her?
----- Original Message -----
From: David & Gloria Bouschor <haggis@skypoint.com>
To: <sinclair@matrix.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: History updates

> Hi Laurel,
>     Be careful of Petes Historical Articles.  He often rewrote other works
> over his name.  I just received a copy of a book where the publisher
> apologises for the first edition in that he quoted Pete as the author.  He
> states he was not the author but the "publisher".  Hope all is well hope
> see you in Scotland.
>                                                 Yours Aye, David
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spirit One Email <laurel@spiritone.com>
> To: Sinclair Discussion <sinclair@matrix.net>
> Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:14 PM
> Subject: History updates
> >While this subject of new historic information is on my mind, I would ask
> >all of you with charts or books that pertain to our Sinclair history in
> >Normandy to update that information.  Just as there were many Williams,
> >Henrys, etc. there were at least two Mauger/Malgars.
> >
> >The first one was the son of Duke Richard I of Normandy.  His siblings
> >more than one "wife" of Richard I's were at least:
> >
> >4th  Duke Richard II,
> > Robert, Count of Evreaux and 5th Archbishop of Normandy
> > Mauger Ct of Mortain & Corbuel,(This is our ancestor)
> >Godfrey of Brionne,
> > William Ct of Eu,
> >Queen Emma m. Kings Æthelred & Knut of England,
> >Hadvise m. Ct. Brittany,
> >Mathilda m. Ct. of Blois & Dreux,
> >Beatrice m. Ebalus of Turenne
> >================================
> >4th Duke Richard II had these children:
> >
> >5th Duke Richard III,
> >(?)Helene m. cousin Walderne son of the Mauger above (our ancestors)
> >6th Duke Robert I-Ct. of Hiemois;
> >Eleanor m. Bladwin IV of Flanders;
> >Adelesia/Alice m. Stephen II of Blois, Ct. of Burgandy.
> >
> >Then Duke Richard II "Married". 2nd Papia and they had 2 children:
> >Mauger- the younger, 6th Archbishop of Rouen
> >William Ct.of Arques & Talou
> >==================================
> >
> >5th Duke Richard III had a couple of kids but they didn't figure too
> >promenently in history but he died--perhaps poisoned by his brother,
> >the Devil, who then became the 5th Duke of Normandy and father of William
> >the Conqueror
> >You can see that this Mauger was called Mauger the Younger which
> >that there was another Mauger who was older (our ancestor).
> >So far information about  Helene's existence comes only from St. Clair
> >records, I believe, and  have not been verified yet from any other
> >But if this Helene did marry  Walderne who was our direct ancestor and
> >second son of Mauger, Count of Mortain and Corbuel, then Walderne's sons
> >would be cousins to William the Conqueror.  If this marriage to Helene
> >not take place they are still second cousins to that William.  Eleanor
> above
> >is an important person because her daughter, Matilda,  married her
> >(Matilda's) cousin, William the Conqueror and became Queen Matilda of
> >England.
> >    I have told you far more than I intended.  The point is that our
> >was never the Archbishop of Normandy.
> >You can see this charted out at:
> >www.clansinclairusa.org/2_chart_Normandy_years.htm
> >
> >Sources: charts of Kings and Queens of Europe, William the Conqueror by
> >David C. Douglas, Queen Emma & Queen Edith by Pauline Stafford.
> >See list of my references while you are there by going to HOME PAGE and
> >looking at the bottom of column 5  "References" and choose "books" at the
> >top of the page, or go to :   www.clansinclairusa.org/clan_ref_books.htm
> >
> >While you are in there look at the new letter of Laura Zola to Niven at
> >top of the 3rd column or later go to :
> >www.clansinclairusa.org/ev_re_Zola.htm  choose "12 Feb.  Portoferraio,
> Elba"
> >There are several messages to eventually insert back in time like this
> >
> >Now for the GREAT news.  Yes, I am shouting!   David Cummings, son of the
> >late H.S. "Pete" Cummings, Jr.,  Genealogist for the Clan Sinclair USA,
> >given his permission for me to add Pete's many historical articles to the
> >Clan Sinclair History pages.  Although Pete was called genealogist, he
> >produced many interesting historical articles too. There will continue to
> be
> >several that will only be available through Clan membership but they are
> >listed anyway so you will want to join in order to have them.  He, He,
> >You will eventually find them in the second column under "Prince Henry
> >Sinclair".
> >
> >Go Pacers!
> >Laurel
> >
> >
> >
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