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Joe, As we're not allowed to curse on the list, I can't go into my feelings on my MAC G4. Suffice it to say I'm migrating the other way to PC. I've been looking at the McNokairds myself and not found much before Toni Sinclair's excellent post. I'm quite interested in this line's claim to Caithness that led to the battle of Altimarlach. I'm fascinated that a line that has no apparent blood connection (1) decided that these lands belonged to them and (2) decided that the lands belonged to them. Perhaps we're wrong about the blood connection after all ? Steve [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html