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I wonder if 'Big Jack the drunk' made his wife sleep in the shallow end? While I understand the reluctance to claim such a man as an ancestor, I am somewhat sceptical of the names certain individuals acquired - such as 'William the Seemly' - were only the good guys so remembered. Is there no 'Odo the Odiferous' or 'Enis the Inept' figuring among the clan genealogies? Best wishes Tim [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html