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Charlemagne married a daughter of of Desiderius, King of the Lombards, at the instance of his mother; but he repudiated her at the end of a year. He then married Hildegard a Suabian. He had three sons with her Charles, Pepin and Louis and three daughters Hruodrud, Bertha, and and Gisela. He had three other daughters besides these Theoderada, Hiltrud, and Ruodhaid two by his third wife, Fastrada, a German (East Frank) and the third by a concubine. Fastrada died in 794 he married Liutgard the union had no children. After her death he had three concubines One Gersuinda, a Saxon produced Adaltrud Regina. I, for one, would love to see a chart that showed 25 generations without some modern imagination. Is this like connect the dots? The 'droits du seigneur' included the right of the first night with a new bride. It was not a case of the English oppressing the Scots it was a common European practice. Sinclair Ref Bulfinch'sMythology Grandes Chroniques de France Paris, 14th Century Life of Charlemagne by Einhard [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html