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Glenn, Responding to your questions: GAC: With consent, I'd like more discussion. While it might be bothersome for all on this list, and more suitable for a smaller group exchange, I certainly would like to see the geometrical proofs. I can always have my wife, the maths teacher,. help me understand. I'm down to Edinburgh 2-3 times a year, and John of Salt Lake mooches of friends up north and drives down too. <G>. COMMENT: The math isn't required, the subject is more in the mystic realm and a function of mental application related to Matter. I can provide a relatively brief note here and if you wish more call me at roslinne@fone.net. There is an unusual and hitherto secret schematic that is best described as a golden ratio (1.618+ or 2.618+) rhombus shape which uses an "L" as a short version of the rhombus. This "L" dynamic is found in dozens of European and American earth grids but most importantly in the Edinburgh Grid (40 miles in diameter) and in Rosslyn's geometry... Rosslyn controls the grid. A matter of harmonics. A large L is found from Inchcolm (St. Columba Island) in the Firth, south to Black Hill (where the Sinclairs had built a tower), then east through Rosslyn. The larger L-system spread across Europe is from Edinburgh (Reshel Matrix), south to Mont St Michel (France), then east to St. Sulpice Chapel in Paris, then south to Rennes le Chateau. This is a more explicit example of the L-system... more complete in what is seen. (The center of the Edinburgh Reshel Matrix is the St. Mary's Chapel ruin just south of Rosslyn. The L-system would lead from there but Rosslyn controls the whole Edinburgh grid part.) --------- But before leaving I'll also say that the above format > is the special > "sign" used by Frs. Henri Boudet and Beringer Saunier at Rennes le Chateau > in their design of the enigmatic Rex Mundi (and 4 angels) holding the Font > at the entrance to the Magdalene Chapel. The statue has engraved "Par Ce > Signe Tu Le Vaincras" or "By this sign/swan you will conquer (him)." (The > angels make the sign.) (GAC) But doesn't this refer to the sign seen by Constantine before the battle, i.e., a cross (not the cruciform cross)? COMMENT: The Chi-rho cross would fit and would work but it is not as exact as the one intended and would be less efficient. Rex Mundi is kneeling on the left knee (as is the angel directly above him); in Catholic protocol genuflecting with the left knee bent renders honor to temporal authority (Queens, etc.) while the right knee bent to ground is only to divine Source/God. Rex holds the font on his shoulders meant to be a vintner's basket (this picks up an unknown system in Genesis that the Templars knew of). Simply: the wine/grapes correlate with holy water: mystic marriage, et al. Directly over the font-basket is a red dot having the letters "BS" ... the dot also being the center of a Reshel grid used, duplicating that of the Rennes le Chateau Reshel Matrix. If read incorrectly, from left to right it spells "bash" or "filth." Correctly, from right to left BS is Hebrew: shab, meaning "to draw water." This in turn is the function of the angelic and rose-cross format above Rex: to "draw water" from above and below in a two way movement (also found in the Book of Revelation, the River from the Throne that flows "hence and thence"). In a larger view, this two-way flow is the energetic implosion exchange between Edinburgh and Rennes le Chateau. The good Fathers Boudet and Sauniere knew this and that was only 100 years ago. (The system is built into Washington DC, as I've mentioned before. The Masonic city planners knew of the format. Although I am not a Mason I have always contended that the Masons' "G" in their logo also contains the meaning of the Hebrew letter Gamel (#3) which was drawn as an L in the protosiniatic version of the letter, relating to the L-system under discussion. This system is controlled by the "Resh" in that alphabet or "Chief Head Stone" ...a large subject in J-C scripture as well, I'm sure, in Masonic lore. In Washington this point is appropriately labeled the "Zero Mile Marker.") The "sign" formed by the angels over Rex duplicates the protosiniatic glyph in the Hebrew alphabet: the letter tsadey (#90) which was drawn as a vertical stem of a plant having two leaves, the system that will channel the holy water/blood. Above the angels is a rose-cross: a circle with a Greek Cross in it and a flower in its center. (The symbolism is complex: off list topic.) In short its a divine Essence within the Rose (grail correspondent) inside the Earth, Self, and Sun. In Hebrew this is the letter teyth (#9) which appears directly over the stem. This two-letter system is called the "Stem and Blossom." Its also a more complete description of the famous Rose-Cross. ----------- In the European grid system there is a direct connection between > Rosslyn/Edinburgh and Rennes le Chateau. The specific symbol(s) under > discussion best describe the nature of both places in terms of energy and > related consciousness. GAC: Do you have a site where this is discussed or citations? COMMENT: No but I will have one under construction. These matters were once highly secret so there is no other physical written or oral historical source that I know of. Scripture has it encoded, as does the (original) Hebrew alphabet, but one has to first know what to look for. I have also found a startling example in the Lindisfarne Gospels, 1st page, with the illumined L having the whole story in its geometry and symbolism. Again, you'd have to first know its there. This illumined letter has a serpent in its design (along with a combined bird-whale). I view this serpent as one of the SHAMIR examples, in its function. Its also an example of the Staff of Aesculpius/Moses/Jesus (Yeshua). Its also the system encoded in Henry Sinclars' "Shamir" Arms, and is also an earth grid. The "stem" in this grid extends from Thurso, south to San Sebastian (Sp) and Hendaye (Fr). The "blossom" is an 8-point ring covering most of Scotland, centered at the base of the Knight's crown east of Fortingall. So you see the info's been around for quite a while, it just has not been open to the public before now and I can't provide citations. Sorry 'bout that. (For more details mail me direct.) --------- Added comment re Nimoy's sign, from a Jewish friend: "...The hand sign, as I understand it, is the sign that the Kohan could make. Supposedly genetically, they were the only family who could naturally make this sign. The Kohan's, Kahan's, Cohn's etc. were the family entrusted with the care of the Torah and the "law" within the Torah. This is, of course, the simplest explanation of their historical job and the significance of the hand gesture." Bill [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html