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Dear John Thank you for the information. Rory has stated it was Nathan Bedford Forrest who started the KKK. Do you know anything about Albert Pike? When and where are the earliest Masonic Charters? Can William be tied in in any way to Modern Freemasonry? Thanks to Rory and Neil. Not being a Mason I only peek under the cover. Mel in South Carolina has supplied some information but a secret society must be open only to members. If anyone can tell me more without comprising their oaths (?) I am all ears. I would be especially interested in deMolay youth lodges. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Liley" <jliley@beehivecredit.com> To: <sinclair@matrix.net> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: Pike, Spock and the like Albert Pike did not found the KKK. Leonard Nimoy (Mr. Spock) is Jewish and got the "V" sign from turning around as a child and watching the Rabbi make the signs. [ Excess quotations omitted. ] [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html