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I can not have a lot of time to wade into this one in a scholarly way but will offer some observations pertaining to the evolution of all information and societies. Very little has anything with a clean start or a clean finish in the affairs of men. Ideas, institutions and social patterns evolve over time. Ideas get borrowed and used by different groups and ritual is no different. With salutes to a fine scholar Sinclair that you most undeniably are I am with Joe on this one through patient study over time and with the honorable calling of being a Mason. Now there is a discussion rabbit hole without end. Neil Toronto [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html