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To Joe and All, I will avoid comment on Sept 11 situation, and direct attention to why people on this discussion group can appear to be at logger-heads on such prickly issues. What we have here is a distinction between cultural mind-sets; of the US and those within other nations. The views expressed by members of this discussion group; reflect those of the inidividual making them, but the individual view is itself enhanced or tainted by the cultural expressions within which the inhabit. For example, it seems to me the US posters are very quick to affirm what they believe in. Where as Australians generally are less likely to do the same, and more cautious or slower to state what we believe in. It might appear to US members that some people are questioning the whole current operation, and appear to be steroetypically anti-American. This I am confident is not the case. Outside opinions are just that, formed from a route of logic outside of the US environment, no more than that! Nationalism is only strong here through sports of all kinds. The US attitude remains novel to us. But, it should not be considered defective because we don't have it in large measure here. Personally I agree with what is happenning, but have quiet reservations also. It is very difficult to explain, in words concretely. Please take no offence. Neither thought processes is more correct than the other. But why this is, it seems to me is that, the US reinforces ideas of partriotism and Presidental decrees etc. Everyone is kept in the picture, but there is little room for the individual to challenge or suggest alternatives, particularly while the state faces a major crisis and conflict. With that said, it is exactly you want to have occurring when you have a crisis on your hands. Because dissent can be obstructive, when your calling upon the nation as a whole. Here in Australia, people generally have a degree of suspicion regarding all politics both our own and those overseas; including the of the U.S. So we tend to see strong public reactions in the US (wrongly I believe) as blind patriotism. I hope this assists in some way, to explain, comments made upon the discussion above. Good luck to you all and God bless. Regards Bruce [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html