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Dear Tim, I hardly know what to say in response to your last word on our recent conversations. Clearly, I cannot compete with your broad background and credentials. I speak and write only one language--American English--but a long time ago I passed a test in written Russian. I have not written any books, although I am writing my autobiography which I hope will someday be read by my children and grandchildren. I doubt that it will be translated into any foreign language and it will only be found on a bookshelf in my house (or perhaps a box in the garage). I do not have "considerable skill" in public speaking, not even local renown, much less "international respect." In fact, that is one of my great weaknesses (along with my inability to think). I served in the U.S. Army for 2 1/2 years, but spent the entire time in the safe confines of Fort Devens, Massachusetts. I am approaching 68 years of age and have (so far) survived World War II, the Korean War, Viet Nam, the Gulf War, and the War on Terrorism. Fortunately, I cannot think of one person I knew who was killed in any of these wars so I cannot possibly have the "sense of duty to companions lost in war" which you have. However, I do believe that I understand "plain English" when I see it. I haven't seen it from you. In two previous messages I have asked you a plain, simple question which you have refused to answer in your two responses. Although I understand that you have said your last word on this subject, I will ask it once again: Tim, are you suggesting that any American who believes in what his country is doing to prevent terrorism is guilty of "blind unthinking patriotism?" I don't believe that this question interferes with your freedom of speech or the right to your opinions "right or wrong." I am not arguing with your opinions, but only with the debating techniques which you use (i.e., denigrate the intelligence of anyone whose opinion differs from your own). By the way, I have looked back at some of your previous messages to this group and find that you used the same technique in your tirades against Andrew Sinclair in which you labeled him a fool uttering complete nonsense. You may be right--I do not know--but I disagree with this technique of making a point. I don't believe that my question, which can be answered with a simple "yes" or "no," (then I would have at least a chance at understanding your position) is evidence that my "responses became somewhat heated" as you claim. The first time I asked the question you might have said, "No, but we must all be careful not to follow our leaders without thinking about and understanding the reasons for, and the consequences of, our country's actions." Plain, straightforward English and understandable. Certainly, the right to question any action of our duly elected officials is one of the fibers that has made our respective civilizations endure the test of time. That would have satisfied me and it would have ended there. Instead, you attacked by stating: "I chose my words with care" and "Make of that what you will" and "Reason, Justice and Truth have rarely been able to impinge on prejudice, be it racial, religious, nationalistic or class based." Finally, in the interest of plain language that is devoid of unsaid implications and rhetoric (that's definition 2b not 1 or 2a in my "Webster's 7th New Collegiate Dictionary"), I would personally prefer that you use "President George W. Bush" rather than "political master" and "American bombing of Afghanistan" rather than "evil...act of war against a largely civilian population." However, that is only my opinion, which (you have implied) can be dismissed by the members of this mailing list because I do not have the background and language skills of Tim Wallace-Murphy. I agree with your closing paragraph to me that time will tell whether the present conflict is justifiable. As human beings, we are all ultimately judged more by our actions than by our words. It is my strong belief that the terrorism that we witnessed on September 11, or this past week in Jerusalem or on the streets of London this past summer, or anywhere else that similar tragedies have occurred, must be eliminated at the root from which it grows. The people of the world have a right to exist without the fear of barbaric terrorism to further the views of those who choose not to use civilized means through which to solve disagreements. The governments of the world have a responsibility to protect their people from this terrorism, which may not be analogous to anything history has yet experienced. Have a great and safe holiday season, Richard Huseth At 10:30 PM 12/4/2001 +0000, Tim Wallace-Murphy wrote: >Dear Richard, > >While I admit that English is only my third chronological language from >birth, I would respectfully submit that I, nonetheless, use it with some >clarity and precision. Evidence for that is on the bookshelves in the United >Kingdom, Ireland, the USA, Australia, South Africa as well as in >translations into six European langauges. I have also earned international >respect as a public speaker of considerable skill. > >Therefore, if you persist in mis-understanding plain English whether written >by myself or others, I cannot usefully persue this debate and will close my >contribution to it with this final statement... [ Excess quotations omitted. ] [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html