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Yes, Bill, USNRet. But terminology changes over the years. What I posted as Arthur Sinclair's naval records from 1798-1831 was printed in the Virginia Historical Magazine of the 1920s. Suggest you heigh yourself to Fort Ward in Alexandria, VA and read the official records as they were compiled for the time of the civil war. Better still search on "War of 1812" and see what you get for official story, written for that time. I do know you 'fake' down rope, i.e., coil it. LOL Sally [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html