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Dear Ken; A couple of observations to share with you, to perhaps open up a new perspective on topics such as sacred geometry or for that matter those items that are imbuded with a sacred dimention because mankind or some humans chose to see life that way. When my grandfather travelled to Saskatchewan on foot in the 1800's he lived with the Indians. What was unusual for his background, was that there was in the aboriginal culture a lot of animation and spiritual import that was given to places and things in nature. Now Darwin was relatively new at the period and the teachings of the day were far less science oriented than the prevailing knowledge that exists today. It was common to subscribe to inanimate objects the hopes, and fears of the observer. Indeed the object incorporated the mysteries of life. And many of those fears were invisable. A small example, small pox being one. Remember the prayer heard in Saskatchewan (and elsewhere) in 1900? "Now I lay me down to sleep, the Lord I pray my sould to keep". Waking up the next day was not assumed. Invisable forces could remove a child over night. An accident on the prarie was often fatal. Many of the early settlers in the Province were superstitious. Many of our ancestors carried many explainations for what they observed in life, and the Scots were by in large a fairly superstitious people in their beliefs, stories and legends. In a similar vein, many objects of beauty have for all mankinds history frequently been held as sacred. Hence icons have from time to time abounded with their supporters, and detractors. Great monuments to human kind have always been sacred simply because the earliest construction of the "great buildings" were naturally churches. And into construction to and for the Lord, was in its very essence sacred work. And all that was designed could be designed with sacred principals and logic of the day. That said there was a lot of science used which is why the buildings stand today. One only has to view a cathedral. perfect in dimention and form, regular and proportionate. Then the dimentions were sacred, for sure. Finally it is of note that architecture for many reasons has also been intermingled with the sacred purposes of man. One can turn readily to the history of the guilds and masons to see this history well documented over hundreds of years. But it is not unique to the building trades of the middle ages. One can turn to Easter Island and Stone Henge, or the Myan culture and so on. Much of human building construction has been tied in with sacred and geometric principals because the builders chose to see mystery, a higher purpose and meaning into what they were constructing. And math and geometry well are "pure" in a scientific perspective, but also from a theological one. I respect this wisdom without always embrasing it, but also plead my own ignorance in maths and a curiosity for the culture that linked math, construction, and religion together. Rosslyn was such an ediface and the mystery throughout is mankinds connection with the spiritual dimention. Rosslyn is also perfect is sacred geometry masonic principals. Now to the trained eye of the scientist living in 2000 of course there are different perspectives than that abounding in the years before 1900. But one can not, nor should dismiss the beliefs, cultures, sciences or history of mankinds journey to reach 2000, and if I might suggest that mankind has a way to go yet even in understanding pure sciences or mathematics. I have a cousin (Sinclair) that obtained his Doctorate in Mathematics to educate me on sciences which are still capable of exploration. We are just starting to measure the matter between the electron and the nucleous. DNA is not haphazard. The scientific mysteries abound still and every year, the more we know, the more we recognize that we do not know. Now lastly Ken, let me suggest that mythologies in mankinds history is what gives us literature and the arts. Is there something familiar with George Lucas portrayal of the "Dark Side" or the "Force" ? We seem to have had this sci fi story before and of course we have. It predates Genesis, and permiates all cultures. The story Star Wars is as old as stories go. Similarly, Dungeons and Dragons is one variant of a mythology that spreads into all corners of the world. It is a mythical journey as was the Odessey. We have Chinese Dragons in the streets of Toronto and the Cross of St George on the Anglican churches. Both a testament to dragons and perhaps to those living creatures the Japanese movies love showing as fierce dinosaurs. But never mind, humans will pay millions to engage in this fantasy world from Hollywood. All fiction for sure, but the stories of Jurassic Park are ancient as the fair damsal getting saved by the handsome knight in the ledgends of Arthur or the works of Chaucer. And why? Perhaps Carl Jung has some insights in psychology that are worthy of exploration when he visited the archetypes in mans subconscience. Many mysteries still abound and half of mankinds knowledge is come about only in the last 40 years in the information explosion and knowledge we are still in the early stages of trying to comprehend. Now I agree that much of this study is academic in nature and far from practical, and certainly far from being "down to earth". But in a technocratic world it is still sometimes pleasureable to know that adventures over the "dark side" still exist. Hum now why do we all not count in hexi-decimals? Must be a Computer "Bug" A "Mouse" is certainly not descriptive of a devise to move cursors. We animate even the tools we use daily. So did our ancestors. And the science of Math 16H + 2 + ? Oh lets go back to binery. 01001 + 1110 = ? Perfect logic, but so was geomety which predates binary and hance was the penultimate science of the day prefessed in religious times for frequently religious purposes. The pyramids were perfectly proportional. They had to be. Otherwise the fell down, and some did. The priests of the day had to keep the measurements and science exact. The were making a religious monument that could only stand if the gemotry was perfect. Of course sacred as well, handed down to the knowledge workers through the generations that happened to be priests. There is more to sacred geomety that meats the eye and scholarly study is warranted as it is with any other mystry and history. . Have a good day and a salute to you and the fine citizens of Saskatchewan that are so close to the forces of nature, and have such clean skies and lakes and keep custody of these lands one might almost suggest in a sacred manner. Neil Sinclair Toronto/Saskatchewan/PEI/Argyll (Toronto being well full of a kind of geometry with the great cement structure dedicated to I am not sure what but called for now the CN Tower and given biological mythologies) ----- Original Message ----- From: "K.W.S" <kensin66@sk.sympatico.ca> To: <sinclair@matrix.net> Sent: 17 May, 2000 5:46 PM Subject: Re: sacred geometry > Hi All > This is worse nonsense than Dungeons and Dragons or modern Science Fantasy. > Worse because some people seem to be serious about it. > Sad because of the time and energy wasted on absolute crap. > > Ken/SK/Canada [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html