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Though I don't pretend to understand all of this, I do find it fascinating. Can't we just live and let live, K.W.S., and enjoy or delete each other's different interests when the opportunity presents itself? Penny --- "K.W.S" <kensin66@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi All > This is worse nonsense than Dungeons and Dragons or > modern Science Fantasy. > Worse because some people seem to be serious about > it. > Sad because of the time and energy wasted on > absolute crap. > > Ken/SK/Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Buehler" <roslinne@fone.net> > To: <sinclair@matrix.net> > Cc: "Niven Sinclair" <niven@niven.co.uk>; "Tom > Beddoes" <Tomaht@aol.com>; > "Steve Beard" <76446.440@compuserve.com>; "Carol > Mann" > <cosmiccafe@wyoming.com>; "Anrahyah" > <anrahyah@vanion.com>; "Judi Arbetter" > <stillpnt@fone.net>; "Connie Poggiani" > <intendtlc@tlc-services.com>; "Janet > Sunderland" <jsunder@blitz-it.net>; "Bonnie Wagner" > <blhrndncs@isd.net>; > "Morgen Grey" <morgen@codenet.net>; "ambrosia" > <trancedance@earthlink.net> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: sinclair-digest V2 #144 > > > > Subject: Sinclair Engrailed Cross > > > > John, > > > > As with Niven I'd really appreciate knowing what > you might discover re the > > engrailed cross. I'm a retired Navy Commander and > at my age have nothing > > better for entertainment than sacred geometry. And > an intense interest in > > Clan Sinclair. Re the geometry I find that it can > be a schematic for > > organizing both energy and complementary > consciousness. This gets me into > > temple and earth grid dynamics as well as > translation and interpretation > of > > scripture. Then too, this demands that I at least > try to understand > related > > archetypes and their application ...like "What's a > grail and what's it > good > > for?" What geometry describes a grail dynamic? My > studies and > > experimentation show the primary angle to be 26 > deg, 18+ minutes. We can > > make a vesica out of that, instead of the usual 30 > degrees, and we have > what > > I believe to be the Sinclair engrailed cross > geometry: the size/ratio of > the > > "cup" or vesica. > > > > Then with this assumption we must know what the > blue field is relative to > > the black cross format. This becomes quite > technical in a metaphysical > > context having to do with primal creation process > within a field of divine > > grace. Pretty standard in all major religions > including the Judeo > Christian > > but not many know of it much less use it. Clan > Sinclair did/does. I don't > > intend to discuss religion or spiritual matters on > this circuit so if you > > wish a more complete explanation you can get me at > roslinne@fone.net. > > > > The "Bethlehem" angle is named for the angle from > the Great Pyramid to > > Bethlehem, also the angle in the Pyramid used with > the two ascension > > passageways. This angle is found in primary grid > geometry in Rosslyn > Chapel, > > Chartres, Monserrat basilica, Stonehenge, and St > Mari's chapel at > > Glastonbury (crypt). A few examples. It locates > the "Resh" (Hebrew for > Chief > > Head Stone) that becomes the corner (Ps > 118:19-24). A complete explanation > > would take a few days. > > > > I doubt that you will find this information in > written books since the > > technology was once secret. The Templars had it > and also the Masons to > some > > degree ...I'm not a Mason so I can't comment on > that. St. Columba had it > > before the Templars. Clan Sinclair applied it > extensively in designing and > > siting their temples, castles. > > > > I think Nivens' observations below are valid but > as he would undoubtedly > > admit there is more to it. > > > > In my study of the Shield I used the design from > the Chapel "boss" shown > in > > Andrew Sinclair's THE SWORD AND THE GRAIL. This > shows two thumbs marking a > > line across the top. The "thumb" in Hebrew is the > letter Yud (#10) once > > drawn as a bent arm with open hand, thumb up. This > is another technical > > thing relating to the "two yuds" (Yeshua and > Yachannen, ie Jesus and John: > > John 3:30). I mention this because this design can > be superimposed over > the > > lower chapel (crypt) to effectively unify the > Chapel's highest function > with > > the Shield. Remember that we are trying to find > out not just what these > > elements are in a grand design but more precisely: > what they do. If we > know > > the primary function of the Shield, then we can > determine the Chapel > > overlay. A Sinclair knight would then have the > basic "spritual alchemy" > for > > his shield. > > > > Niven has a good point: "I have always thought it > represented the > protection > > of the true cross because we were the knights of > the grail - hence > > engrailing." I would add one thing relative to the > above paragraph and his > > remark here, that the energetic formats or "codes" > in the Shield and the > > engrailing can be directly transferred to the man > himself by a > transferrence > > process. Thus the knight becomes not only the > Grail but also the Temple > > (Chapel) and essence of the Clan. Everything helps > when some wrong thinker > > is enthusiastically beating you on the head and > shoulders with a great > large > > sword. > > > > Thoth Hermes oversees spiritual sciences: math, > music, healing and > > regeneration, languages, etc. Yeshuas' 12 > disciples organized the same > > within the archetype of the 12 point wheel or > temple. Yeshu would be in > the > > center but would work through the "yud" factor in > them all, principally > > Jachannen. > > > > In contemplating the cross also include the unseen > vertical axis or "5th" > > element related to the "4." As in Eden we have > four rivers and lands that > > are generated by the one (5th). "Eden" means > "controlling foundation" when > > spelled with the alternate "a" letter ...ie use > both aleph and ayin to > > usually find the hidden application. The Upanishad > Maitri 2.6 uses the > same > > concept but with breaths. This is encoded in the > Hebrew letter peh which > > "blows into 4-corners." > > > > I don't know of any seminary or literature with > the above information; one > > has to dig it out the hard way. The geometry for > the engrailed cross can > be > > sent by jpg directly to you if you wish it. > > > > Blessings, > > > > Bill Buehler > > Colorado, USA > > Minister: Church of Antioch (Malabar Rite) > > --------------- > > References: > > > > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:48:07 +0100 > > From: Niven Sinclair <niven@niven.co.uk> > > Subject: Re: Engrailed Cross > > > > At 11:42 16/05/00 +0000, you wrote: > > Another list I subscribe to are discussing the > origins of the Sinclair > > Engrailed Cross. Can anyone help? > > > > Thanks > > > > John > > ----------------- > > (From Niven:) > > John, > > > > I'd be interested in what they have to say. > > > > I have always thought it represented the > protection of the true cross > > because we were the knights of the grail - hence > engrailing. > > > > Others say that the four legs represent the rivers > of paradise. > > > > But, if you look carefully at the engrailed > crosses within Rosslyn > > Chapel you will find, if you cut off at the first > knuckle, you are > > looking at the croix pattee of the Knights Templar > - hidden but > > plain to see and, on the outside of the Chapel, > there is the > > head of Hermes indicating the sealed secret within > i.e. the > > association with the banned Templars. > > > > Niven > > > > > > [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, > sinclair@mids.org > > [ To get off or on the list, see > http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html > > [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, > sinclair@mids.org > [ To get off or on the list, see > http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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