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Re: note for Bannockburn and Gilbert de Clare

Okay here is my attempt top clarify.  First I must sy that my information is 
not primary, nor secondary but the compilation of a variety of sources that 
may not make the top ten reliable genealogical materials.  My family tree 
program computes relations upon request and that is how the relationship was 
calculated.  I welcome corrections or objects (like that needs to be 
encouraged on this list).  Here are the two lines compared to each other side 
by side with ancestors to descendents with the computation of the first 
cousin's four time removed noted. 
  Gilbert DeClare line                                           Thomas Saint 
Clair line
1.Gilbert DeClare/Isabell Marshall                                            
2.Richard DeClare/ Maud DeLacy                                            
3.Gilbert theRed DeClare / Joan of Arce              His Brother     3.Thomas 
DeClare/Julianna FitzMaurice
4.Gilbert DeClare b. 1291 no desc.       Gilbert's First Cousin 4. Margaret 
                                                               1st Once 
Removed  5. Margaret DeBadlesmere/John DeVere
                                                                1st 2x 
Removed       6. Margaret DeVere/Sir Nick DeLovaine
                                                                 1st 3x 
Removed      7  MargaretDeLovaine/PhillipSentclere
                                                                 1st 4x 
Removed      8. Thomas Saint Clair
Hope this clarifies the relationships as I have them.                         

Marilyn K. Eddy Siperek
Great Valley, NY