Manson was outside the law and yet received a fair trial. What happened
to Mr. Kennedy's killer didn't. The further on of the Kennedy murder is
that the story has been reduced to a murmur, but not totally stopped.
Did the gunman in the window really commit the crime? if we are
thinking individuals, I think we are, and this particular piece of our
history plays out by bin Laden's death by unknown sources - will there
always be the nagging question - was he truly what the American
Government said he was at the time - the true master-mind, leader,
organizer of the events now happening? As truly bin Laden is not an
American citizen may I put in some international law that does apply?
It is the Geneva Conventions. These conventions are not just human
rights and people held prisoner and the wounded, they cover all
subjects. I searched under "Google" last night, The various chapters of
the conventionas adopted on various dates are there for anyone's
One of the newer Geneva Conventions -
I find this one more than interesting! par 4. The situations referred
to in the
preceding paragraph include armed conflicts in which peoples are
against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist
the exercise of their right of self-determination, as enshrined in the
of the United Nations and the Declaration on Principles of International
concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in
the Charter of the United Nations.
I don't think it means America fighting in Afghanistan.
http://www.deoxy.org/wc/wc-proto.htm Article 49: Definition of Attacks
Scope of Application
1."Attacks" means acts of violence against the adversary,
offense or in defense.
2.The provisions of this Protocol with respect to attacks apply
to all attacks in whatever territory conducted, including the national
territorybelonging to a Party to the conflict but under the control of
an adverse Party.
3.The provisions of this Section apply to any land, air or sea
warfare which may affect the civilian population, individual civilians
or civilian objects on land. They further apply to all attacks from the
sea or from the air against objectives on land but do not otherwise
affect the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict at
sea or in the air.
4.The provisions of this Section are additional to the rules
humanitarian protection contained in the Fourth Convention, particularly
in Part II thereof, and in other international agreements binding upon
the High Contracting Parties, as well as to other rules of international
law relating to the protection of civilians and civilian objects on
land, at sea or in the air against the effects of hostilities.
Chapter II: Civilians and Civilian Population
Article 50: Definition of Civilians and Civilian Population
1.A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the
categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A 111, lIl, (31 and 161
of the Third Convention and in Article 43 of this Protocol. In case of
doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to
be a civilian.
2.The civilian population comprises all persons who are
3.The presence within the civilian population of individuals who
do not come within the definition of civilians does not deprive the
population of its civilian character.
Article 51: Protection of the Civilian Population
1.The civilian population and individual civilians shall enjoy
general protection against dangers arising from military operations. To
give effect to this protection, the following rules, which are
additional to other applicable rules of international law, shall be
observed in all circumstances.
2.The civilian population as such, as well as individual
civilians, shall not be the object of attack. Acts or threats of
violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the
civilian population are prohibited.
3.Civilians shall enjoy the protection afforded by this Section,
unless and for
such time as they take a direct part in hostilities.
4.Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited. Indiscriminate attacks
a.those which are not directed at a specific military
b.those which employ a method or means of combat which
cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or
c.those which employ a method or means of combat the
effects of which cannot be limited as required by this Protocol; and
consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military
objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction.
5.Among others, the following types of attacks are to be
a.an attack by bombardment by any methods or means which
treats as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and
distinct military objectives located in a city, town, village or other
area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian
b.an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss
of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a
combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the
concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.
6.Attacks against the civilian population or civilians by way
ofreprisals are prohibited.
7.The presence or movements of the civilian population or
shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military
operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from
attacks or to shield, favor or impede military operations. The Parties
to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population
or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military
objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.
8.Any violation of these prohibitions shall not release the
Parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the
civilian population and civilians, including the obligation to take the
precautionary measures provided for in Article 57.
THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS ON THE LAWS OF WAR, 1949
Article 3: In the case of armed conflict not of an international
character occurring in
the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the
conflict shall be
bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:
To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any
time and in any
place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds,
treatment, and torture;
(b) taking of hostages;
(c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and
(d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions
judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the
guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
Maybe we should publish the Geneva Conventions in America and see what
that when America discovers that revenge against an purported foe is
everything we have been espousing. America was signatory to these
I think the take off from here should be on the basis of the Geneva
International Law! Yes, America is the aggressor! Yes we are now the
For those of you who want to read further - but this takes quite a while
PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... DRAFT ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS
ESTABLISHING AN INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINTS PROCEDURE FOR VIOLATIONS OF
INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN LAW P ART I ...
That's a heck of a thing to say - but that is what I draw from what I am
In anger and sorrow, Sally
There's nae man sae deif as he tha' winna hear.