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<PRE>Ian -everyone in the old days was always fighting amongst themselves-read the history of the Dagobert's bunch, before and after, who were always killing each other off- so once again that doesn't seem likely, and with the Templar history-once that came into the family I am not so sure gambling would have gone on above table-as the guys were not even allowed to play chess. [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html