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Dear all: Just back from Scotland and a wonderful time had by all- if only because we were there to dance, sing, eat cake and watch sea birds. I see that the time line is still 'imperfect' and needs more work. As for the 9 knights at Hastings, the reference was Thomas Sinclair's "TheSinclairs of England" (I believe 1898). In passing let me say I found Thomas's book a very frustrating read. Aside from the florid late Victorian language, there are very few books cited, very few references to any other works and worst of all, not an index. We simply do not know where he got his material but I gather that this is the source for the 9 knights story. FYI, the full quote from Thomas Sinclair: Page 3: Of those lithe athletic figures in armour on horseback arouund William Duke of Normandy [note: he is not referred to as William Sinclair, Duke of Normandy] on that famous October day of 1066 near Hastings, nine at least were Sinclairs. With the Greek-like ease familiar from fine expression in tapestry, they moved in the inmost circles of his gallant surround. Hubert Sinclair, Earl of Rye, was still in the strength of manhood, though he had near him his four sons in the flower of warriorhood. Radulph was the eldest, Hubert ,second, Adam third, and Eudo the youngest. The Earl of S. Clare, Walderne, the brother of the Earl of Rye, was also there with his three sons, Richard, Britel and William. It is not improbable that he Earl of Senlis, though then a French and not a Norman subject, also added with his sons to the roll of the De Sancto Claro in the decisive contest for England's sovereigny. Of him, however, there is no record existing with this established. .... In Wace's Roman de Rou, written within hearsay memory of living witnessess of the Norman Conquest, there is this passage in an admittedly very faithful description of the Battle of Hastings, the Chief event in the history of Rollo's line: "Dunc puinst Hue de Mortimer, Od li Sire D'Anvilier; Cil d ondebac e de Saint Cler Engleiz tirent mult enverser" It was at a critical point of the fight that this Sinclair, Richard, the son of Walderne, "overthrew many of the Angles" . " Hope this is useful. Rory [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html