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reading back thru the post by Sinclair has raised some questions - Balioll - did his name then become the name of the College at Oxford? Or was that another Balioll - if so - who? This is truly minutia. If, in making off with the Stone of Destiny and the Scottish Records destroyed - were the records in any way still in many parts in many places so that at least some records could be reclaimed? Sounds like the damnyankees who destroyed southern records during the "War of Northern Agression" A huge loss and for the most part never put back together. An even bigger one for the Scottish nation to lose their history. It is a marvel that anything exists today to tell the true story - except thru the victor's telling. I have read that every family (noble) usually had a bard whose sole job was to keep up the family history and its deeds. These men were trained in bardic schools first set up in Ireland before the Scots came to "Scotland". That the schools were later transferred to Scotland and then began to die out. Since all this was verbal - how much did get written? To go back to Earl Henry and before - would the bard(s) have recorded the family Sinclair's deeds? Do we know? By what means do the historians of today know of the on-going feuds with the Sutherlands and the place the Gunns had because they lived both on Caithness and Sutherland lands? [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html