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Rory, when I first saw the "reproduction" Sinclair, it was billed by one of our major kilt suppliers, who has been setting up his shop at all the Games for years, as reflecting the "natural" colors available in Scotland in the long ago times. They got the idea from the appearance of a peice of kilt dug out of the ground at Culloden, presumably Clan Donald Hunting. I suppose the concept could be applied to all of the clan tartans which have a "hunting" mode, all of which utilize the "muted" colors. Most of the Sinclairs I know of who bought one had not yet gotten the Red, or wanted some alternative to either of the "modern" kilts. My own preferance for appearance was the "muted" red, but the only one I came across belonged to a tall, spare young man who was tragically killed before he had much of a change to wear it; his mother sold it to me for a very reasonable price, and I bestowed it upon my tall, spare eldest son, who wears it with pride. I like your new address it's easier to type. I trust you will have an outstanding Christmas and holidays. Keep your pipes dry, and have one for Culloden as well. Ray [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html