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<PRE>Ian, desc = descendant VA= Virginia I am sorry, I just tend to use a lot of shorthand I have been researching for a long time mostly on my husband's Cordova family but also on my mother and father's lines. My mother has been researching her lines for over 30 years, is a former librarian and a schoolteacher for a time, knows what she is doing and has forced some organizations to correct records that had been submitted to them with incorrect information that they accepted as true. I am interested in the Hugh Dupuy research on my mother's side and the Sinclair/Stewart lines on my father's side. I am interested in actual records people have been able to locate re (regarding) Hugh's marriage to the St Clair; interested in the history of these families which I am well aware of. I am posting my own info so that you all will know who I am and what lines I am researching. Also I have a curiosity to throw out for a response regarding the question where did the rooster come from on the family crest and have this to say: a rooster announces the light, the dawn and the morning star. The rooster is possibly a hidden symbol few would recognise or consider for what it is unless they knew the history of the family and their Templar ties. I think it is a symbol of John the Baptist. -Gay Dvorak [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html