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Oh my Mrs Grady Sorry for the extra 'O'. It is rude to get a person name wrong. . Niven Sinclair told me that the ships displayed on his videos were the wrong sort of ship. I have no doubt that your brother is eminently qualified. The late Mr Cumming, God rest his soul, left many un referenced assertions which have led to a great deal of speculation and for me confusion. The Bremen cog in Germany, dated to 1380 AD.was found in 1962, excavated and lifted in one piece. The intact hull is 15.5 m long. It was restored and is displayed at the Schiffahrtsmuseum, Bremerhaven, Germany. In Hanseatic notes in the Lübecker Zollrolle of 1227. The ships were divided in three classes: Under 5 lasten under 10 tons 5-12 lasten 10-24 tons More than 12 lasten more than 24 tons In a similar document from 1358 there were two classes: Under 60 lasten 120 tons More than 60 lasten 120 tons During the 14th century some of the cogs were constructed with a carvel hull, but clinker still dominated. Is the replica clinker or carvel? Shortly before 1400 AD the cog had grown, developed and changed so much that it was a new shiptype, called the holk. Given the dating of Henry's purported voyage could this type of ship been used? Sinclair Ref: Christensen A.E., 1991, Hanseatic and Nordic ships in medieval trade: were cogs the better vessels ?. in: Villain Gandossi C., (Ed.) Medieval ships and the birth of technological society [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html