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If anyone is basing any ideas on Gardner, one of the main proponents of the 'holy blood' concept: http://www.chivalricorders.org/royalty/fantasy/stuart.htm He claims that "The true Grail bloodline originated with the Anunnaki gods in southern Sumeria at least 6,000 years ago and was sustained by ingestion of an alchemical substance called 'Star Fire'." Those are his words, see http://www.nexusmagazine.com/starfire1.html Gardner is considered to be a kook by most people. His 'European Council of Princes' is a fake, his genealogies fiction. Doug [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html