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Projet Beauceant records a marriage of Hugues de Payns but they list his wife as Elisabeth de Chappess but they show no relationship to any St Clair. They claim that Elisabeth de Chappess was in the line of the kings of France. M. Leroy in his work show no St Clair but he notes the marriage of Hugues de Payns and Elisabeth as unconsummated. I can find no documentary evidence for this or any other marriage of Hugues de Payns nor is there ant evidence that this Frenchman, Hugues de Payns, ever visited Scotland. Myths are sometimes useful in historical research but the creation of myths and their publication with out any foundation is inexcusable and irresponsible. If you dare ask a question of these myths you are soon covered with abuse about your very parentage and bombarded with every Chinese whisper that that people with no answers can conceive. Look at this statement from the Clan Sinclair Australia site attributed to The Rt. Hon. Malcolm Ian Sinclair, Chief of the Clan Sinclair, Niven Sinclair and Ian Sinclair in their article Castles Sinclair and Girnigoe and the Origin of the Clan Sinclair "Einar was the youngest son of Rogenwald 'the Mighty' whose descendant Malise II sired a daughter, Isabel, who married Sir William Sinclair of Rosslyn. The latter was a direct descendant of Hrolf 'the Ganger', the eldest son of Rogenwald 'the Mighty'. So we have the descendants of two brothers uniting in marriage. The first child to be born to Sir William and Isabel (in 1345) was none other than Prince Henry Sinclair who, as we have said before, followed in the wake of his Viking ancestors by voyaging to the New World in 1398. Sir William was granted the Duchy of Normandy, by King Charles 'the Simple' of France, by a Treaty signed at Castle St Clair-sur-Epte in 911 AD and from which place the Sinclair's (St Clairs) take their name." All of the references to Rollo also know as Hrolf and Rollon, the statues built to him his tomb in Rouen are wrong! It was Sir William all of the historians for the last 1100 years have been wrong. Just plain wrong! Was this Sir William reference a failing of the proof reader or a miss typing? Is this because of the authority of the authors is so great that as Gratiano in his speech to cheer Antonio up says In Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice "I am Sir Oracle, and when I open my lips let no dog bark'" I can find no St Clair decent from Rollo but then again many time I have asked for help. Embodied in this statement are other presumptions, stated as fact. The Government of Nova Scotia casts doubt on some of these presumptions. How dare they? In a lovely poem by Ghassan K.Sayegh writes 'Sir Oracle has spoken: "I'm not sure of anything anymore, Sound doctrine my token, Yet, I slid and slid furthermore".' The purpose of a discussion group is not to exterminate each other but to discuss and attempt to find the truth of the subject under discussion not the colour or brand of the writer's underwear. Judge his opinions not his personal life that belong to him, alone. Sinclair The Government of Nova Scotia site states "All human knowledge - everything ever drawn, composed, painted, or written - will be stored in one digital space available to the entire planet, with powerful search engines providing efficient, cheap access. - William Thorsell, in The Globe and Mail, 5 February 2000 Mr. Thorsell is chairman of the editorial board of The Globe and Mail and a member of the World Economic Forum's global issues advisory group." The site fails to state so will all misinformation will also be spread. Ref Leroy, Thierry - Hugues de Payns; chevalier champenois, fondateur de l'Ordre des Templiers (Troyes: Maison du Boulanger, 1997) ISBN 2950789560.thanks to John Duguid http://www.gov.ns.ca/legi/hansard/han57-1/h98jun02.htm#[Page 613] Projet Beauceant www.templiers.org/ www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id96/pg1 [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html