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With regard to Hugues de Payens,and the claimed marriage to Catherine St Clair. There are a small number of charters and cartulary references from Champagne spanning the period of 1113 to 1170 naming Hugues' wife/widow as Elisabeth or Isabel de Chappes, and naming her as the mother of Hugues' two children (and it was the daughter who inherited his property, not the son) I can probably dig out the references if pushed but it may take some time. yours Aye John |* This message has been sent from the British Energy Group. |* |* British Energy plc |* |* Registered Office:- |* 3 Redwood Crescent, |* Peel Park |* East Kilbride |* G74 5PR |* United Kingdom |* |* Registered in Scotland (Number 162273). |* |* This email message and any attachments are confidential |* and are intended for the use of the addressee only. If you |* are not the addressee you should not copy or use them for |* any purpose, nor disclose their contents to anyone else. |* If you believe you have received this email by mistake please |* notify us immediately by telephoning +44 (0)1452 653113. British Energy believes the UK's best option is to continue to generate 25% of the country's electricity from Nuclear Power. To find out more, look at the arguments on www.theenergyreview.com. [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html