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Dear Joe; It is interesting that cultures 'morph' over time. I think a lot of it has to do with a personal desire to identify. That in part is why you see 'scotsmen' galore in North America acting at being scotish, while in Scotland they can be see simply as they are, scotttish. That said how many are irish, weklsh and english and live in scotland. In a similar fashion individuals chose to be identified as irish, or american or what have you. This is one of the great challenges of our century is to appreciate the blending of cultures while respecting individuality of freedom of choice. Now as to the Sinclairs of Ireland, north or south. I invite you to turn to economic and social perspectives as to how Argyll Sinclairs went to Ireland. In the early 1700's ther was a time of economic expansion and crofters were needed. As with today, people go where the jobs are and so off they went to the farms and fields of ireland. Now as you are aware the sinclairs did not own the land, either in Argyll or in Ireland. So they moved and it is interesting to spot the naming patterns with Sinclairs where cousins appear on both sides of the channel. Then look to the geography, the channel is easily accessible to many Sinclairs that learned of the sea. Lastly from a genealogical perspective, then as now there is a mix of languages, cultures and the like making Ireland one of the more adoptable cultures in Europe and the great nation it is today. Keep the flags flying. Neil Sinclair Toronto/PEI/Argyll Challenge to the list, we have very little on Irish Sinclairs, any contributors? [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html