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Dear Ronald, Stan and others I might have somehow hurt: As a newcomer to these pages, I was moved to join a discussion already underway about the repercussions of extremism, not of faith. As the descendents of Crusaders, we "know" something about that that many others do not; I did not recognize the discussion I was joining as entirely foreign (i.e., "non-Sinclair"), given that family history. We Sinclairs/St.Clairs have, as I understand it, a surprising quantity of perpetrators and victims alike. I have never in my life "bashed" faith - quite the opposite. I wish I had more of it. At times, however, I wish others would have a little less. Our ancestors are sometimes honored for killing others for the same reasons that others kill us today, and that's a shame. Like you, Ronald, my "faith" tells me to treat my fellow human beings as well as I know how, and I find expressions of a faith different than mine both of great interest and refreshing. Acceptance of that variety of faith, however, is the key to our survival as a species. Our ancestors, swords in hand, didn't appear to recognize the value in the diversity of faith. Spilling blood in the name of one's god is nothing to be proud of, so I believe that some of my ancestors - your ancestors, presumably - did evil things. Far from trivializing the deaths of innocents last September 11th, my comments were meant to merely continue a conversation by warning that, today, it's not only Islam that threatens others. As it has always been - during the time of Christ, during the Crusades, during the "cleansing" of the New World by the Spanish, during the partitioning of Southern Asia into India and Pakistan, during the massacres in Indonesia and Malaysia - it is those who believe that they, and only they, know the truth that most threaten others. To believe that it is only "them" that perpetrate such atrocities is dangerous - we need only look at parts of our own family history to see the dark side of humanity. Unfortunately, in our age of technology, one (or 5, or 19) fanatics can kill far more innocent people in a blink of an eye than they could even decades ago, never mind centuries ago. So I disagree that numbers somehow make one atrocity that much worse than others - evil is evil, whether it kills one or kills thousands. A mounted knight's sword a thousand years ago caused enough devastation in innocent families to warrant the same anger and disgust as we feel now about the murders last September. Rosslyn Chapel is a wonderful monument to faith - most are moved by its beauty - but not all who worshipped there necessarily deserved its sanctuary. If I somehow made you think I was denigrating faith, I sincerely apologize for my lack of clarity. Faith, as practiced by the overwhelming majority of Sinclairs, St.Clairs, Sinklers and others, is a rich and uplifting thing. My scientist/atheist friends feel it, too, but at different times, perhaps, than others of different faiths. Faith is about hope and love, and not about bringing death and destruction to disbelievers. I crave faith, I don't disdain it. Like every family, we have our skeletons. We also have our disagreements. Stay at the table, though - it might yet be what you're looking for. I'm new here, so I don't know how it will work out either. I'll try to be a good conversationalist, though, if I'm allowed to stay. Peace. David St.Clair -----Original Message----- From: Stanley St. Clair [mailto:srstclair@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:41 PM To: sinclair@quarterman.org Subject: Re: ...Islam puts most western cultures to shame? Dear Ronald, Most of us are on the list for these same reasons. John Quartermain has asked that we return to the subjects which are more Sinclair in nature. The advantage of a list like this is that we see varying viewpoints. We do not [ Excess quotations omitted. ] [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html