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I happen also to think that detention without access to attorney, without recourse to a writ of habeas corpus, without speedy trial are all wrong, especially for US citizens or aliens in the US. There are wartime precedents to the contrary but not in an open ended undeclared war when it will be hard to say when or what the end is. These rights are in the U.S. Constitution and when the appeals in the U.S. federal courts are completed I am certain that the US Constitution in all its grandeur will be upheld. I never saw Sinclair's request for info on French Canadians resisting the draft in World War II. I have read of it but do not have source at hand. Any detailed Canadian history of the period, or dissertation on French Canadian and English Canadian relations, would have it. On Louis XIV's not associating with his nobles, that was in a quote from the web-master that I was responding to. Jean [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html