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Sinclair and all, To the contrary, although the 1st cousin 4 times removed may seem very remote- consider this: The 1st common relative of Thomas Saint Clair and Gilbert DeClare (b 1291) is Richard DeClare and Maud DeLacy. Richard DeClare and Maud DeLacy are Thomas Saint Clair's great-great-great-great-grandparents; as each person had 64 great-great-great-great-grandparents that would mean that in reference to his great-great-great-great-grandparents-Thomas Saint Clair has 1/64 Saint Clair blood, 1/64 DeClare blood unless there is repitition in the gene pool. We tend to associate with our surname so strongly that we often forget that our genetic makeup reflects an equal portion of each and every grandparent in our past. Of course, there are exceptions that skew the percentage- like having more than one Sinclairs/SaintClairs in our direct lines, and artificial genetic manipulations. It is this that keeps genealogist looking for one more generation; we find one ancestor and then have two new one to look for.... Marilyn