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Dear Sinclair, When I first started with the genealogy study, I was as confused as you. Not that it still isn't confusing. I had always looked at relationship in the traditional manner. However, in genealogy there is a different method for determining relationship. This is the true method, though it is not understood by most laymen who do not study genealogy. It is programed in to Family Tree Maker and other such programs. At this website you will find a simple chart which is guaranteed to confuse you more. http://www.grl.com/grl/relationship.shtml . Confused? Stan -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair <labehotiere@wanadoo.fr> To: sinclair@quarterman.org <sinclair@quarterman.org> Date: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: note for Bannockburn and Gilbert de Clare >Dear Mrs Siperek > >Please put me out of my misery. This explanation appears to be a sixth >cousin to me. > [ Excess quotations omitted. ] [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html