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Dear John: I recognized the Satayana quote and would have been delighted to have (jovially) made someone hoist on their own "tweak the Americans" petard.... but you were a faster draw on your keyboard. than little me. I heartily endorse your "baby and bathwater" analogy.... things have been fairly civil recently but there have been times over the past year or so when I thought History had become a blood sport. I am quite happy to read errors and see them discussed/debated/corrected. I am less interested in "purity" and arguments toward such a thing. History, like life, is a work in progress. Some folks are more advanced in particular parts of one or the other than I may be, but you can bet your boots that I am better at something else. It pays well for all concerned to come to both pursuits with humility and thanks and generosity. I am gonna cry in a minute.... .......sigh..... There, I feel much better now Rory [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html