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Dear Bruce Thank you for your view. I know almost nothing about Freemasonry. I have viewed it as a fraternal organisation of like minded men. There is something in Freemasonry that appears to be special. Why would a pope in 1884 condemn forever Masonic practices? Why would an Italian government fall simply because it members were Masons? Glen Cook has supplied some valuable insights he wrote "The Lodge Edinburgh and Canongate and Leith were operative lodges, that is, made up of stone masons, but also accepted others who were not stone masons. Others, such as Cannongate Kilwinning, were accepted lodges, even though they did also have operative masons." This leads me to think that perhaps Earl William was more of a Guild chief that a Freemason. You are correct that We simply assume that the way we see things is the way they really are or the way we think they should be. It is always prudent, however, to raise questions about the most obvious and simple assumptions. I could not be more in agreement with your statement, "Let all personal views stand!" If we fail to question our assumptions and others as well how will we ever know what those views and assumptions are? Is it a far better thing to have an anchor belief than to sail on windswept and turbulent seas of thought? Your point is interesting that Rosslyn produces no direct link and the "...many motifs and themes within Rosslyn are not carried across into freemasonry." What vision did William have at Rosslyn? Why did the Roundheads spare this chapel? Joe Erkes is spot on when he points out that the symbols are in Rosslyn and I add so is an indefinable feeling. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce carlyon" <Bruce_Carlyon@syncsoft.com.au> To: <sinclair@quarterman.org> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 6:48 AM Subject: RE: A new subject for discussion? [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html