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Dear John, What does this ritual refer to; "Brother Robertson as Worshipful Master, who is said to have been a proficient ritualist." ...."solemnly established under the Auspices of Prince Edwin, at the City of York in Great Britain, in the year of Masonry 4926" it seems that 1n 1866 the start on the Craft is long before the birth of Christ? later on in the document it says "This Seventh day of October, in the Year of Our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred and Sixty Seven and in the Year of Masonry Five Thousand Eight Hundred and Sixty Seven (5867) where do these dates come from? From when do you date the formation of the craft? The pages also reports 14 American Presidents and two maybes as Masons. The also page lists famous Masons but fails to mention Earl William is the list restricted to America? Even thought the Lodge is English chartered it appears to be Scottish Rite. Did it change or is that it nature of this lodge from it's beginning? What is the difference between York and Scottish Rite? Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Liley" <jliley@beehivecredit.com> To: <sinclair@matrix.net> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Information Dear Sinclair, Pike was the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction. He re-wrote many of the Scottish Rite rituals. The man was well before his time and extremely learned. He wrote in a [ Excess quotations omitted. ] [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html