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I have before me is a picture of the rubbing that was made by rubbing flower petals over a cloth on top of the Knight stone. It distinctly shows the helmet, eye balls and mouth, the sword is very prominent and the boat on the shield is just barely recognizable. It would not have mattered whether the boat was painted on. The rubbing produced its independent results. Laurel [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html