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Dear Neil o' New Scotland; In addition to our Nivens 14 points, I add 5 more proofs. The circumstantial perspective of much evidence that I assert adds to the storyboard of evidence which has been accumulating. In doing so I take issue with 2 of the points made by our esteemed authors but agree with their hypothesis totally. I do so as a scholar of all the sources that have been published that I am aware of and have access to, and as a well reasoned individual with a multidisciplinary approach. I add the following proofs to those so well articulated by Mr. Niven Sinclair. For want of a different word I use proofs because my assertions I hope lead great credibility and plausibility to the knowledge accumulating. 15. Our understanding and appreciation of the history of navigation has greatly improved over time, and the technology of navigation of the time was far more comprehensive than we would have appreciated a generation ago. Latitude was knowable in 1398, while Longitude was not available. Cartography was involved with landmarks more than scale. If one takes a look at the Zeno map in contrast to Fred Olsen's sight of land routes, the journey to North America was mostly all within the site of land. This is a Norwegian perspective but navigationally accurate and asserts for us that not only was the transportation route possible, but probably used by others well in advance of Henry. To this knowledge we add that the ocean currents are very favorable to making this a regular transportation route and round trip. 16. The historical Canadian perspective accepts with good archeological evidence that the Vikings had been making this trip for some time and settlements may have according to researchers of the University of Lund, made it as far south as Nova Scotia. There is solid factual understanding of the settlements in Greenland and Newfoundland, well prior to 1398. 17. There is mention in the Zeno chronology of a location where there were constant fires burring and Pohl asserts that this is in the vicinity of Pictou Nova Scotia, Stellerton local. Geographical evidence is sound co-oberative perspective if we accept the diary then we have a link to a distinct geographical co-oberative approach. I assert with respect to Tim the factual geographic and geological basis is both accurate and has strong co-oberative value to the evidence as a whole. 18. There are few that would assert that Henry did not have access to such navigational information and geographic knowledge as existed at the time and to which an individual of is stature would have been able to obtain. In this regard we reassert the historical perspective that he had direct communication in some fashion with ship builders and sailors. Such oral knowledge that existed at the time was available. In his position as "Admiral" of Scotland he should have been in a position to know what geographical and navigational science that was available at the time. We get this 22nd century view that all knowledge is published for it to count!) In 1398, most knowledge was orally transmitted. We further assert that such information as the Vikings and sailors of Norway had, was available and accessible by Henry, both from his relationship with the Court of Norway and from his inter relationships with the other Jarls and individuals of the regions of what we now call Scandinavia. The conclusion that a transportation route to what is now North America was known and available is highly probable and well proven. 19. Economic context is another aspect and while speculation is consistent with the economic circumstances of the time. A person with the largest amount of ships under his command had a very great need. Ship building was very popular and necessary all through Europe. His voyage was consistent with this need. Diverse Perspectives: I take respectful issue with those thinkers that have tried to paint even history as black and white, or take their knowledge asserted from only one discipline. If we assume a perspective of history that all individuals before 1300 were in a state of ignorance we do a disservice to the facts which we need to take account of. The Viking histories while imbedded in oral traditions are cemented in archeological science and are just off the map of historical teaching traditions in Europe and North America because they are not as well understood. But let me suggest that the Vikings that settled Europe, traveled from North America to Africa and were consummate traders and explorers were not ignorant savages. The were early parliamentarians, well versed in science and art, and expert travelers. Indeed we need more scholarship into this aspect of our collective world and family heritage. I take further issue with historical teaching that is indeed something that treats knowledge as the possession of the intellectual authors. For example because there was a diary with Columbus we have a better evidentiary proof than the oral traditions of the Mikmacks or Norwegians. This is both arrogant and unhelpful to the understanding of the world of knowledge, but sadly our teaching methodologies have not served us well. Thanks be to the social historians that are now uncovering so much culture of the past in non literary societies. I take issue with Niven in one point and that is an emotional bias against Columbus. He does not do sufficient justice to his thesis when he blames this individual with so much of the evil damage inflicted over the next hundred years. Simply put there is a great deal of scholarship surrounding Columbus that paints contrary views in a historical context. I for one do not credit him with being the first to discover North America or even setting foot in what is now the United States. I do credit him with the discovery of the trade winds north of the Equator and geographical discovery of the length of time that would be taken to reach land. Interesting points of fact, after the trade winds were discovered many made the voyage all year round. The Jews were one of the first to migrate to Mexico. So Niven with greatest respect, a broad brush is not helpful when looking at knowledge however your proofs when taken together establish a solid case for such a voyage as taken by Henry Sinclair and it is my hope that good scholarship has taken the matter far beyond who reached North America first. Now I conclude with some page one issues of scholarship having a bearing on history. As I suggested before we can look at knowledge from a number of perspectives. We can see cartography, navigational science, traditions of story telling, social histories, archeological science, mythological appreciation, geography, geology, and history appreciation and scholarship all come into play when making such an assertion such as Henry made a voyage to North America. Let me suggest my conclusions from a reasoning mind and an appreciation that evidence takes many forms of evidence, including co-oberative, circumstantial and direct, as well as indirect. I will suggest three conclusions or postulates from what I have previously asserted and my agreement with Mr. Niven's proofs. First that Henry Sinclair was neither the first nor the last to reach North America. He had probable and sufficient cause to make such a journey which was well within the scope of knowledge and technology available at the time to him. Secondly he followed a route that was neither new nor unknown to those living in the region, and he followed the path of others before him in navigational methods. Third, there are proofs which have been suggested by those who I respect namely Mr. Niven Sinclair, Mr. Tim Wallace Murphy and Mr. Frederic Pohl among others,which while differing on the importance and application of specific proofs taken together as a whole introduce evidence which is totally consistent with such a voyage having been made. Indeed in the scientific context, social appreciation and scholarly reading and examination of the evidence, I come to the conclusion that Henry Sinclair made a voyage to North America in or about the latter years of 1300's. Now the economic question to scholars of the 1350-1450 period. What was Henry looking for as owner of a number of ocean going vessels and with a relationship to both Norway and Scotland??? It is a plausible if not pragmatic answer well apart from the grail mythologies and asserts that the voyage may have been one of necessity and provides further evidence of such a voyage from a contextual perspective. Enjoy! [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html