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Until now I have kept my mouth shut as the issue really didn't matter to me.... prince or jarl or whatever.... to me he was a Sinclair and that's enough for me. But as you all tend to quote a lot of sources written over the years I think I better tell you about the one and probably only source on the internet that would give you some kind of an answer. Niven already knows about this site as I told him years ago but as for the rest of you...... The the Diplomatarium Norvegicum containing the transcription of approximately 20 000 diplomas connected to Norway in the period 1050 to 1590 is on the net. http://www.dokpro.uio.no/dipl_norv/diplom_field_eng.html and yes there's an English version of it although the text will be in Latin or old Norwegian. Going through this source I find that sometimes the word Jarl is used for the English word Duke and sometimes for other words/titles. It seams like it varies from time to time what they actually meant with the word Jarl. Maybe in some time they meant Prince..... and maybe a prince in Norwegian was not the same as a Prince in English. Maybe everything is nothing more than a conflict of languages and translations. Iain Laird, please take a look, as I think you being the only one besides me, that understand Norwegian, and tell me what you think of it. Best Lena [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html