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Your point 2. What is out of context? Were the excerpts that you posted from the Lyon Clerk and Keeper of the Records at Lord Lyon's Office in or out of context? If you determine they were in context the establishment of Henry as a 'Prince among men' is complete. Context is defined as "1 : the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning 2 : the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs :" Would it be out of context to abbreviate 'Prince among men to just Prince? If you abbreviated Prince out of context you would then be what you described in your point 2? Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian of Noss Head" <iansinclair@nosshead.freeserve.co.uk> To: "DISCUSSION SINCLAIR" <sinclair@matrix.net> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:00 AM Subject: One way forward [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html