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Joe I whole heartedly agree with this type of discussion etc. I dis- agreed with the way you said it. To often academia forgets though that the lay person can think as well as the next person but just doesn't have the education. To often the academic world looks down their noses at us who are not a member of the elite so to speak. This is the way in which I took what you wrote and this is what I was disagreeing with. You probably didn't mean it that way, but that is how I took it. I was not upset, just seeking clarification. Yours, Dana -----Original Message----- From: Joe Erkes [SMTP:erkesjoe@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:31 AM To: sinclair@quarterman.org Subject: Re: Removals from the list Dana, Let me try explaining my point again... maybe I can make it clearer. The Sinclair historical legacy is broad and deep, consisting of some facts that most reasonable people can agree on, some "facts" that are shaky (as yet unproved), and some "facts" that are probably not facts at all. It is very much in our collective interest to be clear in our minds regarding what is a confirmed fact, and what is unlikely to be true. If we do not understand the difference, we can be criticized for promulgating myths and fables, and the baby (the truth) will go out with the bath water. Academics traditionally handle this situation by asserting hypotheses regarding what they believe to be true. Other academics who disagree with them will advance their own differing hypotheses. These disputes are resolved by boiling down these hypotheses into clear distinctions which are testable. In the science business, typically experiments are carried out to settle the disputes. In the history business, he who can find the most credible original sources buttressing his ideas usually wins. The rest of the academic community weighs the evidence presented and declares that one hypothesis is better than the other. It's not personal; it's simply the way disputes are resolved. Often those who "lose", while admitting publicly that their opponents hypothesis is better, will go off and search for better proofs that may reverse the community viewpoint. Although ugly personal interactions sometimes occur, most combatants don't take it personally, because to do so hurts the truth seeking process. Regarding the "Henry as Prince" hypothesis, Ian of Noss and Sinclair advanced differing hypotheses. Although Sinclair systematically demolished all of Ian's arguments, Ian never acknowledged that Sinclair's hypothesis was "better". Finally, Sinclair boiled Ian's arguments down to the simple "fill in the blanks" assertion that "Henry was a prince because _______" in an attempt to bring closure to the issue. It wasn't not personal... it wasn't an insult... it was simply an attempt to get at the truth... a goal that we all ought to support. We need to be able to disagree over very differing assertions without rancor. "Making nice" and glossing over differences may minimize conflict, but it ensures that our understanding of "the truth" will forever stay muddy. Not so long ago most thought we lived on a flat earth. A handful of radical thinkers suggested that we lived on a globe. The "academics" of the time contrasted these hypotheses, boiled them down to testable elements, and discovered that the "flat earth" hypothesis did not account for as many indisputable facts as the "earth is round" hypothesis. Most eventually accepted that the earth was round, but some diehards stayed with their beliefs*.... and got marginalized and labeled as pinheads for their troubles. Not exactly what we want for the "Prince" Henry story! With respect, Joe * some continue to do so even today! ******************** "Kyler, Dana" wrote: > In my own personal world view I find that academia does not always learn the > lesson of respect nor do we lay people. I have found that respectful > disagreement can come for many sources. It has to do with how one is raised > as opposed to how learned one is. sinclair@quarterman.org http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html