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Thank you Tim, I'm not sure who would fund a teaching seminar, but that some of us might be able to attend one of your lectures which would be nice, especially, since I for one, would like to meet you. Rowan Tree - is of the botanical name Pyrus Americana, "This slender and graceful tree, which grows from 15-30 feet high is common in swamps and cold mountain woods throughout the northern US - Maine to Minesota, southward following the Alleghany mountains to North Carolina", when in bloom looks almost what we here in America call a "summac"(family Rhus) The quote is from F. Schuyler Matthews book, "Familiar Trees" If you go to find a Mountain Ash/Rowan - be sure to ask the nurseryman for the tree by its latin name - Pyrus Americana Ash - is the botanical name Fraxinus, family of Quercus (oak) [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html