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In the website Mr Sinclair Labehottiere has been quoting from - "The Imperial Immediate Nobility and the Holy Roman Empire Constitution" http://www.geocities.com/vrozn/Constit.html - reference to - "Teutsches Staats-Recht and Neues Teutsches Staats-Recht" written by Johann-Jakob Moser (1701-1785) - is also written: "Rulers of some territories claimed the Princely rank before it was recognized by the Emperors." rgds John [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html